[triyambakam]

Crop deaths tho!

Do you realize that /more/ animals die from crop harvesting for feeding animals? Because if you aren't raising animals for food, you don't need to harvest crops for them. The net amount of crop deaths goes down.

Further, it's the fallacy of perfection - we can't stop all deaths, but we can do our best to get as many as possible unnecessary deaths to end.

Veganism is about what is practicable - i.e. what can be done in practice, not perfection.

[throwaway0756]

I mean, if someone cares that much about real practical death reduction of sentient beings, they wouldn’t be vegetarian, they would eat grass fed beef.

One death for hundreds if not thousands of meals. That or seafood if you don’t consider shrimp sentient.

[triyambakam]

That's also fallacious thinking because you're knowingly murdering a being, i.e. it is a requirement that the animal is killed to eat it. But when practicing veganism, there is no requirement for murder. That is, while crop deaths may happen, it is not a requirement that it does. We could in fact engineer machines that don't kill animals while harvesting crops, and in fact "crop deaths" is wildly overblown by meat eaters as an argument. Statistically it is not significant.

What's further, you're wildly under estimating how much food the death of one cow would give you.

These are all super common arguments against veganism and easily disproven

[tassl]

> (...) while crop deaths may happen, it is not a requirement that it does.

Wait, so just because you consider that it is not a requirement, it is ok? The reality is another and veganism could be ending the world and you would be defending a best case scenario that doesn't exist?

> Statistically it is not significant

Have you ever worked in fields? I haven't spent significant amount of time there, but I have spend weeks in a farm owned by relatives. I don't know what you call significant, but the meat processing that happens there is not "not significant". Rodents, snakes, even foxes. And all that without counting insects.

> These are all super common arguments against veganism and easily disproven

I don't think so. You are just using some higher moral ground to defend your position: "I don't want deaths; yes they happen but they are not a necessity for my beliefs".

All that without considering the damage we could be making to the human race. We don't know the impact of large scale veganism on long term health.

[throwaway0756]

I don’t think you can easily hand wave the logical inconsistency here.

Rats and rabbits are killed all the time on farms, it’s just how it is.

> That is, while crop deaths may happen, it is not a requirement that it does.

I don’t understand how ignorance that your diet kills sentient beings is an excuse.

> We could in fact engineer machines that don't kill animals while harvesting crops

That’s not the case now though

[tassl]

> we can do our best to get as many as possible unnecessary deaths to end.

What if the best way to decrease (unnecessary) deaths is to consume animals?