[stale2002]

> Please don't give me root access to my iPhone, I do not care about it, I have no need for it, and I do not want it

Then don't turn on root mode?

Nobody will force you to do anything, if I am given the option of easilu turning on root mode, and you can simply choose to not turn that on.

[panragon]

I’m all for people wanting rootmode, I just don’t want more freedom and choice on my device, I see no need for it and I like the way Apple can streamline everything by forcing everyone to interact with their device on their terms.

And obviously I realize that this doesn’t go for everyone, and that’s completely okay. I just don’t think Apple should be forced to make their phones into full-on computers just because some people say they want the choice, when you could just as easily get a phone. If most customers really wanted to root iPhones Apple would probably have implemented it by now. I don’t believe for a second that Apple’s desire to unilateraly control their ecosystem trumps shareholder greed, why would it?

Not all phones are for everyone and I think that’s OK. More options and more modular devices means everyone will setup and use their device differently, like with a computer, this is fine for many, but I think it would adversly affect the streamlined nature of iOS (even if it is ‘just an option’), so I’m still against it.

[leetcrew]

in a vacuum, there's really nothing wrong with apple's choices regarding iOS. as far as I can tell, most iOS users really do appreciate how the whole system is locked down, or at least don't understand why they should care.

what sucks is that in the big picture, there's really no viable option for someone who cares about security/privacy and is willing to pay for a premium device, but wants full access to their phone occasionally. the security update situation on android is still a mess except for the pixel line (which usually has subpar hardware) and a handful of other flagship devices. even if you're willing to pony up, you're still buying into an ecosystem that's designed to exfiltrate data from your device. it's frustrating because the iphone is so close to having everything I want from a device. if I could just have the ability to temporarily elevate privileges, even from some obnoxiously buried menu deep in the settings (or bootloader), I would buy one in a heartbeat.

[stale2002]

> I just don’t want more freedom and choice on my device

Then don't turn on root mode? Is that really such a large infringement on you? The fact that there might be an option in your phone, to turn on root mode, and the mere fact that this switch exists somehow mind controls you and makes you turn it on?

If an easy switch in the phone exists that says "Allow competing app stores to be installed", why can't you simply not switch that on?

[ratww]

> Nobody will force you to do anything

My previous bank forced installation of a rootkit in Windows and Mac, and required full permissions in Android just to open. Their website didn't even work in Linux because they didn't make a Rootkit.

I didn't really have an option at the time: this was before my government made a law allowing you to use any bank, so I needed the bank to access my salary.

I'm all for freedom of fully owning your own device, but the reality is that software developers and software companies will abuse this freedom.

[sixstringtheory]

Once root mode is an option it will be exploited. The weakest link in software systems is often a human.

[spideymans]

Follow this tutorial for awesome new wallpapers!

Step 1: Open settings > Tap 'enable root mode'

[greycol]

You're not wrong. I also understand the viewpoint stemming from that truth that having the option is not worth the extra features. I still think the trade off is worth it.

Just like while we have people tricked into buying apple gift cards for scammers we still don't decide to ban those cards because they do offer utility.

[lern_too_spel]

The number of steps and warnings required to unlock the bootloader on an Android device is so large that I have never heard of anybody being tricked into it. On the other hand, iOS is so rife with rootable vulnerabilities that it's becoming too cheap to meter.

[judge2020]

Replace tricked with lured. Try searching 'free vbucks apk android 6' on youtube then go to page 3 of results or click recently uploaded.

[lern_too_spel]

You cannot unlock your bootloader with an APK. This is the process for unlocking the bootloader: https://www.androidjungles.com/unlock-bootloader-using-fastb...

No amount of luring is going to make somebody go through that only to have their device data completely wiped as the warning clearly says.

[cafed00d]

I really think we should rename "root mode" to "DANGER 90000 VOLTS AHEAD" or something similar.

Root mode _is_ that dangerous. You wouldn't want to allow astronauts "root access" to their starship launcher; you don't want car drivers to have "root access" to tinker with the brakes in their car. You don't want patients on ventilators to have "root access". You don't want non-doctors to access their health data without a doctor's to walk them through it. Certain pieces of data left to mere mortals can have devastating consequences.

It's not a question of "don't turn on root mode". Or saying "don't re-jigger the brakes".

People (tech experts or otherwise) should not be allowed to mess with systems that can literally end their life by exploding in their pockets! That's how dangerous it is!

Sure, some of the consequences are that you can't tinker with your UI. But honestly, that's a reasonable price to pay because the software that controls the behavior of these systems can cause real-world damage, if not configured properly.

Heck, we've seen this in the recent 40 years. The whole freaking Metric vs Imperial system disagreement has caused unintentional rocketship explosions. Imagine, if some inane argument between a couple of high-schoolers or teenagers led to the same type of bug killing them because their phone exploded. All because someone with root access misconfigures a constants plist file to prove a point!

[stale2002]

> should not be allowed to mess with systems that can literally end their life by exploding in their pockets!

This is non-sense fearmongering.

Giving people the ability to install fortnite, on an official fortnite app store, is not going to cause people to die from phone explosion

It is just not going to happen. Fortnite is not going to blow you up.

The reason why I know this to be the case, is that half the US smartphone market, allows people to side load APKs, and install fortnite that way, and people aren't being blown up because they had fortnite on their phone.

[cafed00d]

>> should not be allowed to mess with systems that can literally end their life by exploding in their pockets!

> This is non-sense fearmongering.

I was referring to "Root access"; not the ability to install Fortnite. There's a difference.

People have the ability to install Fortnite. Do it through the Apple App Store.

[stale2002]

> People have the ability to install Fortnite.

They do not have the ability to install it through a competing Epic Games app store.

Allowing people to install fortnite, through an Epic Games app store, that is not approved by Apple, is not going to cause people's phone to blow up.

> not the ability to install Fortnite

In my post, I specifically said "on an official fortnite app store", but it seems like you ignored that for some reason.

That is what I am referring to. If you agree with me, that:

"Giving people the ability to install fortnite, on an official fortnite app store, is not going to cause people to die from phone explosion"

Is the case, then cool. You agree that there is not going to be a blowing up phone problem, if Epic Games, has an app store on people phones, that is run by Epic Games, and not Apple.