[bitxbit]

There’s no discussion to be had when you’re FOR equality and the other side is arguing against it. There’s equality and fairness. The rest is garbage. There’s no need to meet in between and compromise. If you compromise with shtty ideas you are gonna get sht on your shirt.

[throwaway0a5e]

>There’s no discussion to be had when you’re FOR equality and the other side is arguing against it.

Kind of like how there's a subset of a certain political party that believes fetuses have the same right to life as infants.

Or how some people believe someone who comes from a statistically high crime demographic, has $120 in their checking account and face tattoos has the same right to own a gun as someone from a low crime demographic who can take a weekend class, pay $200 and ace an interview with the police chief?

My point is that it's not as simple as you are stating it is. Whichever side of an issue you are on the other side believes that they are right and you are wrong and that you are the oppressors. They have good logical reasons to reach this conclusion and if you peel back the logic you get to fundamentally incompatble differences of opinion.

[charlesu]

What is a "statistically high crime demographic"? Men? It's men, right? Statistically speaking the vast majority of violent crime is committed by men [0].

[0] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

[throwaway0a5e]

>What is a "statistically high crime demographic"?

Young black men

This is drilled into the head of every cop before they leave the academy.

[charlesu]

Interesting. According the FBI data in my previous reply, white men are far more likely to be driving drunk, statistically speaking. I guess we should teach cops to pull them over far more often than everyone else, right? That would be a similarly logical conclusion based on the statistics.

[Spivak]

I think it's hilarious that you're downvoted so heavily for this when it's the exact same logic that's used against young black men.

If you look at these statics and think to yourself, "the fact that 87% of murders, 99% of forced rapes, and 77% of assaults are committed by men is terribly misleading because as a category it doesn't make sense to lump all men together when they're so different" then why the hell does "black men" make any more sense?

[bitxbit]

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[dang]

Would you please stop posting ideological flamewar comments to HN? You're breaking multiple site guidelines here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[mensetmanusman]

People will disagree about the definition of equality.

Good advice is to spend a reasonable amount of time on defining precisely what is meant by equality. You will likely find you are arguing past each other because your life experience has given you a different definition than someone else.

This is more true over internet communication, because most human-human communication is non-verbal, and text compresses this communication to oblivion.