[dragonwriter]

> Tesla just made ICE car obsolete.

No, it didn't. It announced it is confident that in the near future it will be able to deliver the same thing it's said it would deliver in the nearish future a decade ago, which is an entry level electric car at a little under double the MSRP of the cheapest major manufacturer ICE cars in the US, and which will still be in many respects (especially range) far more limited than even the cheapest ICE cars.

They didn't make ICE cars obsolete. They didn't even announce something that, if/when delivered as predicted, will make ICE cars obsolete.

[henrikschroder]

> It announced it is confident that in the near future it will be able to deliver the same thing it's said it would deliver in the nearish future a decade ago

They also said that this one will be fully self-driving.

I'm not gonna hold my breath...

They're absolutely pushing the state of the art forward, kudos for that, but they're constantly overpromising and underdelivering.

[dayaz36]

Copy pasting previous comment since the number of people misrepresenting the ground breaking tech that was announced is to high to spend energy on:

1)56% reduction in cost (which blows way past the $100/kwh holy grail for EV to sub $40). This by itself is insane and most people in the industry thought it wont happen for at least another decade. This puts the last nail in the coffin for the future of ICE cars.

2) 54% increase in range. The new Model S will have minimum 520mi of range and much more actually when they start production. Range anxiety gone out the window.

3) New manufacturing tech along with vertical integration will allow Tesla to scale 55x their current rate of production and become the world's largest auto manufacturer by many multiples. Tesla will not only produce their own battery cells but they're even getting into mining!!

Along with many other things announced in a 3+ hour technical video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6T9xIeZTds

[dzhiurgis]

$2000 for a small EV battery is about price of an iPhone. That is cheap.

[dragonwriter]

> $2000 for a small EV battery is about price of an iPhone.

It's about double the launch price of the 11 Pro Max, so not really.

[01100011]

With gas prices so low and likely to remain as such until the economy recovers, ICE cars are a better short term investment(on a personal level. I'm not counting externalities or AGW here).

There's something about Musk that rubs me the wrong way, but I do hope he succeeds in making electric vehicles the norm. That said, ICE cars won't die until we force them to die with carbon taxes and other disincentives.