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Joe Rogan is not new, and is only "edgy" to the type of people that can be cut by a pillow.

[InitialLastName]

I meant "new" in the "Spotify just figured out they should get into the podcast game, so they swallowed a bunch of podcast networks" sense and "edgy" in the "some of the guests on his show are promoting snake oil and bad decisions" sense.