[rshnotsecure]

Today we're seeing number stations move off of ham radio and onto protocols like MQTT.

Additionally a lot of "weather stations" around the world are simply number stations. They vary the numbers reported, and wherever they diverge from whatever is determined in advance as the "canonical" source is how information is communicated. This paragraph and the above are just my personal observations please note.

Lastly good examples of weather stations in general (not actual spying things please note) can be found here [1] and here [2].

[1] - http://weewx.com/stations.html

[2] - https://joesdatacenter.com/hvac/

[draugadrotten]

> Today we're seeing number stations move off of ham radio and onto protocols like MQTT.

Wouldn't a MQTT station be lacking one of the major advantages of a radio number station - that it is very difficult to know who is listening to the broadcast.

Using weather reports (or obituaries in newspapers etc) are not number stations, though they can be used as covert channels.

[doctor_eval]

I would have expected steganography in YouTube videos to be the numbers stations of today?

[draugadrotten]

You seem unaware of the difference between unicast IP and broadcast radio. Watching youtube is just as anonymous as a phone call, not very hard to map to a person. Youtube has a log of every IP accessing their servers and what they do, augmented by cookies and google accounts. A radio station does not know who is listening.

[doctor_eval]

You don’t seem to understand my point. With good steganography you don’t know a message is being transmitted in the first place. It doesn’t matter which IP addresses accesses a video because you don’t know which video contains a message. Given the number of videos uploaded to YouTube, checking them all for embedded messages from a sophisticated state actor would seem to be quite a significant challenge. Even more difficult if you’re in Latvia, the agent is Russian, and the video is hosted in the USA...

This approach offers a way of transmitting much more data, on demand, with very little risk of detection of either the existence of the communication channel itself, or of the recipient.

The recipient could casually watch on wifi in a food court, using a modified app, while eating lunch. They would obviously need to exercise good secops, presumably as part of their trade... it seems quite a reasonable approach to me, but I’m no expert, it was just a thought.

[macintux]

Conversely, unlike a numbers station theoretically only the intended recipients know which videos should contain messages.

So the counterespionage personnel may be able to track who has watched one specific video, but only if they know which video to track.

[saffronique]

The internet can be switched off, and the websites are potentially controlled by your enemy.