[anthropodie]

No end to end encryption is deal breaker for most.

[ffpip]

He is switching from messenger. It's not exactly leading the way in privacy.

Signal is not alternative to Messenger. Signal is an alternative to whatsapp.

[anoncake]

I doubt that is true and anyway Telegram does have end to end encryption.

[robjan]

It does but not by default and it only works between two specific devices.

[ffpip]

Which is why I recommended it as an alternative to Messenger.

[anoncake]

Which means you get better usability by default and E2E when you need it.

[dogma1138]

Telegram still uses MTProto which was criticized for making quite a few odd choices.

It’s odd that people would recommend it over say Signal.

[antihero]

I'd say Telegram is probably the "nicest" app I've used for messaging. WhatsApp and Messenger are Ok. Signal, whilst being idealistically the best, is spartan, kinda ugly, and lacks many features that make messaging "fun".

[anoncake]

Signal is openly hostile to alternative clients, making it hardly better than other corporations' offerings.

[dogma1138]

Alternative client without being to independently verify their correctness do not fit the trust model of Signal or any of the chat systems.

[anoncake]

I don't care why Signal tramples on its users' freedom.

[dogma1138]

It doesn’t, you aren’t compelled to use Signal, I care that the clients I’m talking to are conform to the spec and don’t expose myself to side channel attacks (e.g. previewing content directly from the client)

[ffpip]

Signal cannot be even compared to Telegram. they are different. Telegram is Discord+Messenger, but on steroids.