[a5withtrrs]

Very interesting.

I wonder if it then makes sense to run additional services such as power and drinking water parallel to those pipes for similar efficiency?

I wonder if camping festivals and conferences such as CCC camp would benefit from this at all?

[monaelkass]

Original author here: yes of course, this project should be improved and many other additional services wil be added. I will also study a camp with UDDT to have a less amount of sewage. The camps in my project contain free areas for agriculture, in addition to a school , a police station, and markets so the camp could be 90% independent.

This project could be applied for any camp. It is basically studied to be applied for refugees camps as they most need it, but it could be used for any camp that has a big amount of sewage.

[a5withtrrs]

You should see if you can reach out to the Chaos Computer Club for their Camp conference (in theory, running next in 2023). The distribution of utilities throughout their campsite is quite a logistical challenge. I think your work also assumes a nice flat wide open space that you can work with, whereas in that specific scenario there's other obstacles in the way.

Anyway, really cool. Thanks! :)

[lima]

CCC Camp infrastructure is special, and fun, and definitely a great source of real-world experience. The various infra teams now have a decades of experience scaling it up - water, power, waste, internet, each coming with its own set of challenges. The event is full of engineers, such that the level of overengineering increases year by year - last camp, one team even brought and manned industrial dishwashers as a public service! Same goes for similar non-profit events that build their own infra rather than contracting it out to an expensive events company.

Constraints are very different, obviously - the ground can't be dug up, public toilets and washing stations are sufficient, there's some existing infrastructure to partially rely on, and it only has to work for at most ~2 weeks or so. Still, many of the "lessons learned" could be applicable elsewhere and I wish there was time to document more of it.

[daniellarusso]

What is the lowest temperature the studied project’s environment would experience?

How viable is this in colder climates?

Also, great write up!

[monaelkass]

In this project, PVC pipes are used. These pipes are in danger of freezing when surrounding temperatures are nearly 20 degrees Fahrenheit.

PVC pipes get brittle in cold weather and fracture where they freeze.... A low voltage, 120-degree or less, should be installed as an internal pipe heater to keep it from freezing.

[justinclift]

  This project could be applied for any camp

It's a pity this wasn't available for the Fyre Festival organisers. ;)

[rsync]

I’m not an expert, yet… But my habit has become: anytime you spend the time and effort to put any conduit in the ground… Put four more in.

I have never been anything but happy and relieved that I have done this.

Pipe is cheap. Digging is not.

Edit: Do not put drinking water lines and sewage lines in the same trench.

[monaelkass]

Yes this is the case of buildings sewage system where the population increases each year. But in case of camps, we don't have a big flow, and the pipes used are the smallest in size.