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by falcolas 2108 days ago
> they're discouraging users from using zen because it is zen.

And I quote: "we invite all Japanese developers ... to join the global Zig community and enjoy the real deal, without having to pay a single Yen for the privilege."

> doesn't point out the poor character of Zen's creator but their poor behaviour

Potato, tomato. You're correct that the specifics are different, yet the underlying message is the same: "these guys are bad, come over to Zig".
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hitekker 2108 days ago
It’s perfectly reasonable for an Open Source software foundation to point out how a private company is misusing their software and misappropriating their brand.

Saying that Zig’s creators should sit down and be quiet sounds both condescending and craven.

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falcolas 2108 days ago
No, Zig's creators putting up a stink about a for-profit fork (a developer IP assignment clause, how.. actually quite common, come to think of it) sounds like they made a decision that they now regret, and so they'll use whatever tactics they can to pull people off the fork.

And lay off the personal attack, 'k?

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scythe 2108 days ago
>a developer IP assignment clause, how.. actually quite common

It is absolutely not normal to demand copyright for code written by a developer in off-hours. It is extremely not normal to write non-compete clauses for software developers and the ban on non-compete clauses in California has been cited as a key policy promoting the growth of the software industry. And it is obviously adversarial to fork a project and then try to get developers on the project to sign non-competes saying they will not work on the project.

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falcolas 2108 days ago
> It is absolutely not normal to demand copyright for code written by a developer in off-hours.

In the US, it's the standard. There are exceptions, but most companies will demand it. I've been bound by IP assignment contracts exactly like this for my entire career - from Oracle to a pair of startups.

> sign non-competes saying they will not work on the project.

Also, in the US, this is a long-established standard. You will not work for your competitors. Zig is a competitor for Zen.

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Nullabillity 2108 days ago
Right, because Oracle is the gold standard for ethical behaviour.
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sigzero 2108 days ago
They don't have a problem with the fork. They have a problem with the ethics of the Zen people and they pointed that out and rightfully so.
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