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by resfirestar
2106 days ago
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Sorry if I wasn’t clear - I was saying that people who are unsatisfied with systemd vs earlier or current alternatives are usually better off using a distro based on openrc or runit or s6, as you suggest. Not that there is any lack of good alternatives. The point was that the most common complaints about systemd are indeed issues people have with systemd and not with poor packaging or something. This contrasts with pulseaudio where most of the early criticism was caused more by distros doing a poor job with it than the users having fundamental issues with the design of pulseaudio. What does that pinephone issue have to do with systemd? Sounds more like a bootloader issue (or if not, the kernel lacking a feature) to me. |
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Fair. I think many would contest that and say they indeed had issues with PulseAudio itself, not because you're wrong, but because the understanding as to why PA sucked for many is just not there and never was. I feel systemd is in a similar position. It's not poor distro packaging, bur it is rather a fundamental misunderstanding of what systemd even is.
From most of the complaints I've heard, they fundamentally misunderstand what systemd is even trying to do, there are certainly better ways of doing them, but I feel the debate is not even at the level where there's understanding of systemd and critiquing it.
In a sense, OpenRC is not even a direct competitor.
> What does that pinephone issue have to do with systemd? Sounds more like a bootloader issue (or if not, the kernel lacking a feature) to me.
It's not bootloader related or kernel related. There are other distros for the PinePhone, like Mobian, where suspend works properly. The issue is Alpine's init system can't do the job. systemd can.