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by echopom 2108 days ago
Really surprised with the the comments here.

Ami has never been created for teenagers , it was created by Peugeot to compete in the 'Licence Free EV' space.

Most owners of those vehicles are adult living in Urban Areas, not '14 years old'.

It's sad people keep focusing on 'Headlines' these days instead of taking a step back and actually reading the article...

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> According to the company’s data, about half of all Ami buyers have one car and at least two children. More than 40% of those driving Amis are under 18. A majority of users say they like it because it is green, while for more than 30% of users, not taking public transport – in a time of Covid – was an important factor.
Sounds like parents buy one and let the teenager use it rather than get a moped or a scooter.
Or drive the kids themselves. Which I believe is one reason specially with hobbies where transportation is hard or more equipment is needed.
I always understood a substantial number had lost their license after a drink driving offence.
In Europe (at least) you need an AM license to drive a 50cc scooter, so also an Ami. If your license is suspended, you cannot legally operate _any_ motor vehicle.
Last time I checked, in France, you need to pass a exam to demonstrate you know the laws and codes, then get a permit for the vehicle class you need.

The first one is rarely voided.

What normally happens in most of Europe is _all_ vehicle classes are voided following an offence (including, therefore, the AM class the Ami falls in).
Those numbers seem extremely unlikely. I would think that almost no 17-year old owns a car and also has two children. That would mean that people with one or no child, or not owning another car, account for only 10% of Ami drivers?
> about half of all Ami buyers have one car and at least two children > More than 40% of those driving Amis are under 18.

If this is accurate, those 40% under 18 are driving, but not buying. It's probable that parents are buying those cars for their teenage children.

I read that as the following:

1. half of all Ami _buyers_ have one car and will continue to drive their existing car

2. half of all Ami _buyers_ have at least two children, and those children will the ones driving the Ami

3. 40% of those _driving_ Amis are under 18

4. 60% of those _driving_ Amis are over 18

Uhm. It could simply mean that people let their kids drive it. Buyers and drivers are not necessarily the same group.
Particularly buyers of things that cost 6000€.
It’s sad that clickbait titles are almost always given to these articles, resulting in people focusing on the sensationalist topic rather than the actual topic.

I think at one point in the past, HN allowed titles to be rewritten to reflect the actual content, vs. having to strictly stick to the original title.

While it was a bit controversial, as it left some trust to the OP, and sometimes resulted in debate, I do miss that it didn’t give clickbait titles the satisfaction of sensationalism, at least here.

I often wish we were still allowed to do that.

As somebody that lives in a fairly big city and hasn't needed a car for the last 8 years, such cars are interesting to me because 99% of the driving I would do would be in the city itself.

So much so that the car I drive the most via car sharing and that I'd like to buy is a smart fortwo.

I also find the smart car to be very fun to drive. (Yes even with the bad automatic transmission)
Indeed, I'm quite fond of the smart fortwo car. And it's amazingly easy to park, given that small footprint (and it'll fit where most other cars won't).
From day 1 I've read the teenager argument regarding this car. Either journalists were distorting hard or PSA marketing dept has made a mistake.
I seem to remember that top gear did something on these vehicles you can drive them after you have been done for drink driving