[yebyen]

> But it leaves things in a messed up state and I don't like that so I will go back to this in a short while and fix it properly.

You say this with confidence, I wish my own situation provided me with the confidence to say this and mean it. We do not have reproducible systems and depend in many ways wholly on backup images of live production systems. Someone is going to say this makes my life simpler than yours by some twisted math, but I have a doubt about that myself.

We are still talking about migrating from Amazon Linux v1 to Amazon Linux v2, and with a recent announcement from AWS, the pressure is off! We'll be able to continue talking about this transition for a good long time to come. Again, mixed blessing, is it better to have an operating system that can crawl along on life support? For those that can't upgrade, sure, it is better to get security maintenance than to have zombie servers which are not upgradeable, but who is to say what opportunity costs will arise because we are not on a formally supported leading-edge version of the platform.

[jacquesm]

Agreed, reproducible systems are an absolute must and it is a shame that we are still not even close to having a solid foundation under all this mission critical stuff we build.

It feels like we are building these huge castles on quicksand.

At the same time I think the whole 'treat your servers like cattle, not like pets' is exactly because we don't know how to do this properly. It is the cloud equivalent to hitting ctrl-alt-delete to solve issues.