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by chrismorgan 2108 days ago
My last couple of laptops have had IPS panels. I intend never to buy a TN panel again.

My last laptop was a 15″ 1920×1080, and my current is a 13″ 3000×2000 (and I love the aspect ratio). I intend never to buy a laptop with a 1920×1080 screen again.

At some point I’m afraid I may end up with a ≥120fps screen and rarefy my tastes still further. (I hear good things about them, but have never seen an LCD with such a frame rate.) Fortunately screens with both a high frame rate and a high resolution are still vanishingly rare.

I just hope someone comes out with a good screen on one of these—I barely even care if it’s super expensive; because it’d be a real shame to have to decide between a good screen and a good CPU.

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For desktop use 120 vs 60 Hz is noticeable on Windows (obviously very noticeable on the mouse cursor, but that doesn't change the UX much), but because DWM has basically optimal latency as far as dragging windows around goes, it's not that big of a difference. On Linux it's a pretty huge difference since Linux compositors aren't as good as DWM. Basically, Linux with 120 Hz feels like Windows on 60 Hz.
First thing I usually switch off on Linux is the compositor. It's not that bad typically (you notice latency only if you look for it), but why add unnecessary latency...
I loved wobbly windows in Ubuntu a decade ago, on my first laptop. Switched to i3 in Arch Linux with no compositor on my second laptop. I think wobbly windows was the only thing I missed from Compiz.
On Wayland it's difficult to disable the compositor :-)

With which setup have you been able to achieve the lowest latency? I'm currently trying to get an overview of the situation.

I went to Gnome over Cinnamon because with an RTX2080 Gnome on wayland is butter smooth and janky as hell on Cinnamon.

The difference was vast.

It’s a shame because I much prefer Cinnamon, so much I considered just shoving a cheap RX AMD card in for work stuff/Linux.

If you use Cinnamon, you can switch of compositing when in fullscreen mode.
> screens with both a high frame rate and a high resolution are still vanishingly rare

They're huge power sinks. If you need to play games on the laptop for some reasons and can have it plugged in all the time, it works. But 4k often take 1-2h off the battery life and the high frame rate will likely have an impact too.

I don't mind 1080p, or 60hz, but I'd love proper HDR OLED for work, so I can have high contrast together with lower brightness.

Remember when 99% of laptops priced around $800 or lower were automatically doomed with a 1024x768 screen - and to get a higher resolution you'd be paying at least 300-400 more?

Yeeks.

Things were like that when I wanted to get my previous laptop in 2014 or so; you want 1366×768? Great! We have laptops from AU$400 onwards. You want 1920×1080? Here, enjoy our tiny range of AU$1,500+ laptops, all of which are heavy and power-hungry with dedicated graphics cards because you must want that, right? I mean, why else would you want a decent screen?

It’s not quite so strong these days with 1920×1080 or even with 4K panels, but the segmentation is still definitely real. The feature segmentation, things like pairing dedicated graphics with better screens (even when the screens could easily be driven by dedicated graphics), is particularly distressing, because they’re making you pay more for things that you either don’t care for or actively don’t want, just to get other things you do want.

> I intend never to buy a laptop with a 1920×1080 screen again

Same here and WOW, it's frustrating. There are so many laptops that would be amazing if it wasn't for their screens. Paradoxically 17" models are almost all crap.

Ugh, also those times when >99% of 15″ models were 1366×768 or similar, while 11″ ultrabooks were happily shipping 1920×1080 or even higher. Fortunately that’s almost behind us now.
>> My last couple of laptops have had IPS panels. I intend never to buy a TN panel again.

Agreed, but there are plenty of dim IPS panels with poor contrast and color.