[andrew1]

But that's precisely the point, if they're all "highly logical" then in the island-wtih-3-brown-and-1-green case the person with green eyes can't correctly know their eye colour so can't kill themself. But they are in exactly the same situation as a person with brown eyes in the island-with-four-brown-people case. So if the green eyed person in the first case can't deduce their eye colour, then neither can the brown eyed person in the second case.

If you don't agree, please explain to me what extra piece of information the brown eyed person in the second case has which means he can kill himself on day four. As far as I can see they are both in the situation that they can see three people with brown eyes, and no one has yet killed themselves. What is the extra piece of information that allows the brown eyed person in the second case to deduce that he has brown eyes?