[cascom]

I’ve seen this play out with colleagues/listened to the griping - where the resentment comes in (in addition to the items already discussed) some of the self righteousness of the people with kids vs. non-kids “I really can’t be doing this weekly midnight call with Asia...I have kids” as if having kids was akin to solving world hunger and people without kids couldn’t possibly be doing something meaningful with their time

[marbletiles]

"I solve world hunger" is a high bar to set for people to establish boundaries with their employers.

"I can't do this weekly midnight call" should really be enough. That makes things better for everyone: it means the people without kids can also say they won't attend, even if that's because they've got something planned in a bar. Adding in the details of kids is because the labour relationship is already wrong.

Covid has surely shown that when required to companies can suddenly be incredibly flexible in all sorts of ways that were "never happen" before. This "you must work for us at midnight too" is just another example.

(This is all-too-similar to how people sometimes still talk about accessibility requirements. "The self-righteousness of people demanding ramps everywhere! We already added a lift from the back alley basement entrance which usually works, and that hurt profits that month. They knew the building was like this when they took the job")

[dantheman]

And those who can make those calls should be compensated more as they're providing more value.

At the end this comes down to - some people are providing more value and want to be compensated appropriately; or more specifically some people are now providing less value and don't want their compensation to reflect that.

[cascom]

Now you’re suggesting something that will likely not satisfy some sort of “disparate effect” testing

[cascom]

You miss my point the friction is often with colleagues (in addition to manager/employer) as the co-worker who is seeking a reduced workload often acts holier-than-thou with regards to needing someone to work more on their behalf, rather than being contrite...

[marbletiles]

My point is that you shouldn't have to be contrite that you can't meet employer's insane demands. You should be able to reject demands to do midnight calls whether or not it's because you have a kid or because you want to have a social life.

The game is rigged in the favour of the employers here, and it's so cleverly rigged they have employees blaming each other.

The only people taking midnight calls should be those who are willing to, and who are appropriately compensated for it.

[cascom]

The fact is both people signed up for jobs where they are highly compensated but are always “on-call” - now one wants to change that, still be highly compensated, and the other has to pick up the slack...