[Yetanfou]

I wonder how those who want to find the cause of their failure in other people's success eventually deal with the fact that Nigerian immigrants into the USA are far more successful compared to African Americans while they are visually indistinguishable from them. Will the Nigerians be accused of having some form of privilege? Will they be called 'white' just like Asians are now often considered to be 'white'? Will saner minds prevail, find the reasons for their success and emulate these so they end up on the same level?

[anthk]

>Nigerian immigrants into the USA

Nigerian inmigrants travelled an ocean, for sure they have money and a huge set of values, and they are not afraid at all of either racists or potential disadvantages. They had it worse in Nigeria.

Here in Spain the Nigerians are seen as hard workers with an incredible spirit of superation.

[neonate]

It's not so hard to understand. The issue is the legacy of slavery, and Nigerian immigrants aren't dealing with that.

[corey_moncure]

Nigerians today have to deal with the legacy of colonialism, war, pogroms and famine. (1)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War "The Nigerian Civil War (also known as the Biafran War and the Nigerian-Biafran War) ... between 500,000 and 3 million Biafran civilians died of starvation."

This is just scratching the surface.

[neonate]

I didn't mean to minimize any of that. There's no global ordering here.

[athms]

You stated that American blacks had to deal with the legacy of slavery that happened more than a century ago. The epicenter of modern day slavery is Africa, with Africans enslaving other Africans. In 2018, about 62% of the African population endured some from of slavery.

If immigrants from Africa do better than native blacks, it isn't due to the legacy of slavery. Jamaicans, Dominicans, and Haitians have endured the legacy of slavery too, yet these immigrants do better economically as well. If systematic racism was real, it would hold back all blacks.

[SpicyLemonZest]

Most racial justice activists don't agree - they believe that there's significant ongoing racism in addition to the legacy of slavery.

[neonate]

They may well be right about that, and yet there's still an obvious difference there. Also, keep in mind that immigrants tend nowadays to come from the better-off strata of their home societies. There was a study about this making the rounds just recently, but I've unfortunately forgotten what it was called.

[jjeaff]

Additionally, it's important to note that modern day racism is more damaging to already marginalized groups or those that have historically suffered from it.

In other words, a well educated Nigerian immigrant may not be damaged as much by the same level of racism as a Black person decended from slaves.

[banmeagaindan2]

There exists an underclass in Ireland who have the same origin as the other Irish - but have many of the issues that exist in the African-American community.

Live to about 50, developed a different dialect, very high crime rate - expected to be underestimated, constant violence, high domestic abuse, high illiteracy, very large families, living in squalor.

Doesn't fit neatly into any faction's magic box of solutions.

[jjeaff]

I'm not really sure what your point is? That other marginalized groups exist?

As a society, we unfortunately discriminate against people based on lots of different factors.

[ghufran_syed]

Slavery has occurred in almost every society over the years, until the last two or three hundred years, including in Nigeria

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Nigeria

See "Black rednecks and white liberals" by thomas sowell for more info (Thomas sowell is a black american economics professor and writer, for any in the audience who decide what is worth reading based on the skin color or ethnicity of the author)

[andi999]

No worries, people who decide who is worth reading based on skin color also introduced the oreo concept so their world view doesnt have to be challenged.

Pesonally I belive anybody should read Sowell

[xpaqui]

This offhand reason does not happen regularly. There are cases of places without historical slavery who perceived as poor workers and places with historical slavery who are known for their work ethics.

Maybe it's not only "the legacy of slavery".

[gvjddbnvdrbv]

Doesn't Nigeria still have lots of slavery?