[kinghtown]

A great part of the horror of a bad trip is how regular people treat someone who is experiencing one, or has been damaged by one. I would rank interactions with the police as a far greater danger than like an out of body experience into god knows what.

I have a buddy who did like 150 hits of LSD 20 years ago and there is a great sadness in him and how he can’t really share that experience with most people. People, who’ve never played around with LSD tend to become super condescending with him like he’s damaged.

The thing is, these studies or motions to incorporate psychedelics into therapy are never advocating for super human doses. I can definitely see the value in micro to moderate doses coupled with qualified therapy for non schizophrenic consenting adults. A full on like wizard trial into the nightmare heart of psycho hell with heroic doses of whatever is not what these guys are arguing for.

[trabant00]

> there is a great sadness in him and how he can’t really share that experience with most people. People, who’ve never played around with LSD tend to become super condescending with him like he’s damaged

Maybe he really is damaged? Happy and sad states are required to be in some balance for a person to in a relative state of equilibrium.

I don't know your friend, maybe he is balanced and people who are at the other extreme (always need to be or to present themselves as happy) make fun of him.

But I do know drug users who can't enjoy anything any more.

[kinghtown]

Damaged though implies broken or dysfunctional. Thing is, this guy is 100% coherent. His problem, to put it in a word as an outsider to whatever is going on in there, is closer in meaning to injury. I used to take mushrooms, acid, salvia like every other day for a couple of years when I was really at it and honestly I have trouble fathoming what 150 units of LSD would do. Anyone whose done a lot would shudder to think about the possibilities of what that’s like.

I get this odd feeling when talking to him that he is mostly playing along with conventions. Like he is well aware how close everyone is to madness. Or maybe there is a layer to reality outside of our senses, very strange and more real than real. Like for people who have never done anything crazier than smoking a joint or getting really drunk.. it’s pretty easy to disregard psychedelics as just intoxication. But the upper doses can be transformative to say the least.

I know people who have never done drugs who don’t seem to enjoy anything either.

[trabant00]

Nihilism for example is extremely coherent as a philosophy. Not a good way of living though.

[Out_of_Characte]

>Maybe he really is damaged? Happy and sad states are required to be in some balance for a person to in a relative state of equilibrium.

No, your exact comment is why trippers are discouraged from talking about their life altering profound experiences because you seem to be judgemental of the fact that it is drug induced.

>But I do know drug users who can't enjoy anything any more.

This really gets me. Its such a stereotype. What effect precisely are you referring to? To my knowledge there is no substance that alters your brain that permanently. Except brain damage and extreme overdoses, which has little to do with their effect and everything to do with dose and responsible use. There's a difference between people who tend to use drugs and how drugs affect people.

strange chemicals are the few things that seem to reach people in the center of their being. exercise being the second on the list for those starved from it.

[trabant00]

Either tripping can be life altering or it can't alter your brain permanently. Both can't be true at the same time.

[Out_of_Characte]

Only if you believe that life altering moments must be rooted in a permanent change in your brain. Plenty of people have "life altering moments" without drugs. Its just interesting that a select few chemicals cause most people to believe they have had such a moment. It also seems to be backed up by actual significant behaviour change, which is rare in most social studies. This doesn't mean in any way that these changes are permanent. Nor does the effectiveness of the drug prove that it must be linked to some permanent change in the brain. Not in the same way malnutrition in children does. or b12 deficiency.

What exacly do you mean by "Alter your brain permanently"?

[scns]

Maybe one of these books could help him: https://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-New-Mood-Therapy/dp/0380...

https://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Great-Revolutionary-Treatment...

The first one helped me understand how the mind influences the emotions, haven't read the second.

[tayo42]

I think people just don't or can't talk about unrelatable things, idk if it's just anti drugs. Like no one really wants to talk about your cool vacation you went on.

[OneGuy123]

Nothing bad will happened when interacting with police if you do as they say.

Look at all the police videos on LiveLeak etc...you will see a common thread in all arrests gone wrong: the suspect didn't do as he was told despite repeated warnings.

[chownie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver#Shoo...

Easily debunked. The police are not absolute, they are human beings. Some of them are not suitable for the position of power and use it to abuse others.

[OneGuy123]

Debunking it with a rare example?

Are you truly generelizing to all arrests based on a few shitshows?

You know how many police officers get killed by trying to arrest people peacefully?

[IgorPartola]

I can’t tell if your comments stem from ignorance or willfully ignoring facts but in either case kindly stop and listen because what you are saying is incorrect and wrong.

Do YOU know how many police officers get killed trying to make peaceful arrests? Do YOU know how many black people get killed by the police during peaceful arrests? Because I guarantee you that you do not. I am too tired of people like you commenting like this so I’m not going to put in the work of looking things up for you. Please educate yourself on this matter before speaking about it.

[teataster]

Never have I ever had a a pleasant interaction with law enforcement. I think that is what was implied by above poster, nothing to do with getting shot.

[kinghtown]

I should’ve been more clear- I meant to say that interacting with the police on psychedelics is way more dangerous than just about any scary experience you may encounter while tripping out. If your having a really bad trip then the police can only make it worse, strap you down in a bed or lock you up with really bad people. They may even kill you. It’s very possible that a bad trip could be turned around with only a peanut butter and banana sandwich followed by a bike ride with a radio. Honestly, the government and most normal people included are ill-equipped and unqualified to deal with people on psychedelics.

[e40]

Philando Castile was 100% complying with the officer who shot him.

EDIT: s/office/officer/

[LocalH]

how does that boot taste