[farout]

There are number of biographies of women CEOs that mention that this is a huge problem issue for women. They consistently forget to negotiate for their salaries since they consider it poor form and confrontational.

However the simplest come back after a salary offer: please let me consider it.

Then a day later or after some thought, reiterate the value you will be bringing to meet and exceed with their expectations/plans, then say: Is that the best you can do?

Then shut up and wait.

I tried this once. It was easier than I thought.

Money is temporary. The experience, the people, the company culture, their mission, and growth are more important to be than money, in general. They are priceless facets.

However for most people a job is a job. As someone said the skill that they value the most and are at expert level at is apathy.

Also Jeffrey Fox says always go for salary - it is what everyone uses to measure your value and that is what they value so....to each their own.

Are you after a job or are you trying to creating a future for yourself?

I remember a recruiter told me to take the job that was not able to outbid for me in a bidding war. I thought that was odd. As she said, these people loved you and they are a established profitable company. The others are startups, that are just looking for just in time body and never mentioned why they valued me. I went with the money, actually I went with the technology because it was sweet - stupid mistake. I wished I listened to her.

Money has marginal utility for me. After a certain amount I do not care. Isn't that ultimately made me the geek I am, spending time on things that others saw very little social value?

[gaius]

Are you after a job or are you trying to creating a future for yourself?

Lots of companies say something like, yes our salaries are low but it's great experience that will set you up for the future. That may be true... But someday you have to actually get to that future.

I always say, in business there is no such thing as cheap or expensive. There's only worth the money, or not. Well the company is buying your time...

[danssig]

>Money has marginal utility for me. After a certain amount I do not care.

And this is exactly why I go for the absolute maximum I can: I care about my own projects more than I could ever care for any company or their projects. The more money I get the less I have to work for other people.

[strangetimes]

I disagree. The more you make, the more your employer expects you to work overtime, be more dedicated to the job and the company, etc.

[farout]

I disagree with you; Fox also agrees with me on this point:

If the company can overuse its employees, it will regardless of what they are paying for salary.

If you are going for money (which if you have no other choice) than maximize! You will be abused so at least get the moola for. There is a reason why they call work work and have to pay people for it.

In the above scenario, where the job is just a job go for the money and kiss up to the boss. Less work and you are well insulated in crisis as others have mentioned.

There are plenty of people at work who do nothing more than be friends with the execs. They add little value in a company. This oddly considered acceptable. It is almost as if work is daycare for your not so bright but very happy friends. It reminds me of the cliques in high school.

Sadly this true in even in startups. So-so went to high school with the founder. Great but the nice guy is incompetent. Basically you soon realize that the startup is an adult daycare center as well.

[mavelikara]

> Money has marginal utility for me. After a certain amount I do not care. Isn't that ultimately made me the geek I am, spending time on things that others saw very little social value?

You should please consider the effect it has on the overall profession. If you are not getting remunerated appropriately for the value you create, that surplus is captured by someone else. If this continues at a systemic level, many interesting people who could have been your colleagues will be turned away from the profession. The layman's description of what you are doing is is "pissing in the pool". You are, of course, free to make your choices and live by them; but please make sure you are building a healthy ecosystem in which you can indulge in activities that give you pleasure.