[LatteLazy]

A few counter points:

* rate of World co2 emissions continue to rise.

* we don't just need rate to stop rising, we need rate to fall to pretty much zero.

* and if we could magically get rates to stop rising, and fall to zero, tomorrow, we'd still have about 2 degrees of warming from all the emissions already up there.

People have completely missed the point: the rate of growth of rate of emissions might have improved in some places. But the problem is total amount emitted.

Oh, and you don't avert climate change with per capita cuts if population keeps growing. Which it will, till about 2100.

[api]

There is no chance of stopping this. The challenge is massive even if there were political will, and there is no political will. We need to plan for climate change as a near certainty and start preparing now.

[LatteLazy]

That's exactly what I'm saying. Move to land on a hill. Travel north. Buy up some tundra that will be futile farm land in 50 years.

We should also pause for a minute and not the silent beauty of this consensus. No major leader, no scientist, no religious figure ever said Fuck it, let's not bother. But that's what our species have decided...

[X6S1x6Okd1st]

There's been a pretty concerted effort by the oil and gas company to just say "There's no problem"

There have also been the luke warmers who say that climate change is happening, but whos to say that is bad.

[boring_twenties]

Is "it's a hoax, invented by the Chinese" (that's a direct quote) somehow substantively different from "fuck it, let's not bother?"