[GOONIMMUNE]

It seems more and more likely to me that the general approach to climate change is going to simply be adaptation. We'll have to figure out ways to live and grow food in a hotter world that has more dramatic weather events. I think this will be expensive and could tragically lead to the deaths of many people who cannot afford to live in this new world.

If a large country with many poor people are faced with this situation, maybe it's likely that they might try one of these geoengineering efforts as a last resort? The environmental effects are unpredictable, but if it could save a lot of lives...

[Ma8ee]

Yes, we will have to adapt. That doesn’t change the fact we also must try to slow and minimise it as much as is possible. Adapting to two degrees is probably an order of magnitude easier than adapting to four or five degrees.

We rich westerners will most likely only be inconvenienced. We have our AC and we can afford more expensive food. If you live close to the coast or a river you might need to move.

The greatest problem we will have to face is probably the huge waves of refugees from the Middle East, Africa and Latin America. Not only from starvation, but from conflicts about e.g., water.

[ncmncm]

The problem we face is the rise of Fascism in response to those waves, and the bad government and, most likely, war, always instigated by Fascists.

It is already starting.

[nix23]

>always instigated by Fascists

Not really, just look at the US..oil/money

[ncmncm]

You seem to be confused. A counterexample would be a Fascist government that did not instigate a war, given ample time.

[nix23]

>given ample time.

That's the problem....any government instigate in a ware given enough time, i think your problem is that you have no clue what fascist means.

[ncmncm]

You are still confused.

Numerous governments have never instigated wars despite ample opportunities.

Fascists do not need your defense.

[Ma8ee]

That is only one of the problems.

[nix23]

>We rich westerners will most likely only be inconvenienced.

For how many generation will that be?

[X6S1x6Okd1st]

If you're interested in adaptation in food systems I really enjoyed The Fate of Food: What We'll Eat in a Bigger, Hotter, Smarter World.

I'm currently working through Whole Earth Discipline which calls for work on three different fronts: Reduction (of emission), Adaptation (to unavoidable change) and Geoengineering (to prevent the worst of it).

Without significant government ran/funded geoengineering projects we'll be living with at least ~1.5 C above pre-industrial levels. We'll need to do some adaptation as is.

[wahern]

> The Fate of Food: What We'll Eat in a Bigger, Hotter, Smarter World.

One of my favorite quotes in this vein is "We are eating bait and moving on to jellyfish and plankton", referring to overfishing and climate change changing Americans' seafood diet. From http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/30/local/la-me-ocean30j....

Of course, many cultures have always eaten and enjoyed jellyfish, but that's beside the point. The ethnocentrism is what sells it to the conservative American audience.[1] ;)

[1] Well, older conservative audience. Many younger conservatives grew up only eating trash fish, at best.

[X6S1x6Okd1st]

> Of course, many cultures have always eaten and enjoyed jellyfish

From my brief search it looks like most edible jellyfish is sold heavily salted. Like higher than average beef jerky salty.

You'd need to change preservation techniques to really use jellyfish a lot of your daily protein intake.

Jellyfish: > Protein 6.67 g > Sodium, Na 2081 mg

https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/396504/n...

> Beef jerky > Protein 33.2 g > Sodium, Na 2081 mg

> Those headed for the table have their tentacles cut off; it is their upper dome, dried and preserved in salt, which is used in cooking. These jellyfish arrive at the restaurant in stacks of parchment paper, doused in rock salt

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2006/jan/27/foodand...

[wahern]

At least in Chinese cuisines, alot of seafood and other foodstuffs are still preserved with salt. But you normally soak it first, like with salt cod in European cuisines.

[JanSolo]

Adaptation will happen for sure. Here are some examples of things that we should expect to see in the coming years:

* No more building in flood-plains or low-lying coastal regions.

* Flood insurance in those areas will lose their subsidies and will become expensive.

* Areas in Florida, Louisiana, etc will become poorer as those who can afford to relocate do so.

* Farming will slowly move north; southern areas that are currently farms will dry out and become non-viable.

* Alternative energy might take the place of farming in the south. Solar farms? Wind Turbines?

* Inland cities will become more popular because of their reduced risk of climate-related events. Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Washington, will likely all get net-positive migration.

* Conversely, the big coastal cities will become more expensive and cause people to start leaving. NY, LA, San Francisco, Boston, etc.

[aaron695]

> and could tragically lead to the deaths of many people who cannot afford to live in this new world.

We don't care about the billions who can't afford to live in the current world.

But we do care about the ones who can't afford to live in the new one!

Why is this? It took a rich silicon valley dude to care about polio. But every layperson wants to destroy the current economy for future people.

Being from the future they are super rich compared to us, like every new generation now, so perhaps they just are better at writing Twitter hash tags?