[ShellfishMeme]

I was doing the takeoff tutorial and was wondering why 10 minutes in it still seemed impossible to get to the desired altitude and speed. Turns out they never mentioned that you need to eventually move the flaps back. Once I figured it out by myself I pretty much instantly made it. What kind of tutorial is it where you need to already know how a plane works to learn how a plane works?

[g_p]

The current training "missions" seem to be straightforward "ports" of the old training missions from FSX/FS 2004, but without the ground school written material to match.

I'm hopeful with the advent of YouTube and high quality video capture and streaming, we'll see video-based ground school lessons emerge that can partner with lessons.

Who knows, perhaps there's a mini business model here for creators to sell (via Patreon or even the built-in store?) curated mission lessons that go along with their YouTube content? I believe MS has confirmed you'll be able to make mission packs and distribute them via the store. And given how fast the modding is taking off, you probably already can drag a folder into your Community packages folder and have it work.

[Fogest]

Honestly having to pay to buy the game and then pay a separate creator to teach me how to play the game feels a bit silly.

I personally played FS2020 and gave up after completing the tutorials because I didn't know what I was doing still. I feel like I could enjoy the game a lot, but a good tutorial makes or breaks a game for me. If I have to do a lot of work outside of a game just to enjoy the game it seems pointless to me.

[g_p]

This is good feedback that hopefully the devs will take onboard. I know they were hiring mission designers recently. Hopefully they'll improve the training, because you're missing out on a lot of you didn't really get past the tutorials.

Unfortunately they missed quite a few important things in the missions (another commenter mentioned not being told to retract flaps after takeoff).

I do wonder if part of the interesting aspect of this being a sim is that you can actually go online and watch or read a real flying lesson. Perhaps that's the direction they're trying to go in? So far, the community has been doing really well in fixing up scenery, perhaps Asobo are hoping for others to fill the gap with mods.

Re needing to pay, I'm sure there would be excellent free content on learning it (in fact there already is online), but with value added structured lessons as a potential mini product.

[sio8ohPi]

With sims, and particularly when you're new to sims, I recommend turning on assists and just going for it. IRL we have rigorous flight training because planes are expensive and there's no reset button, but in sims there's nothing wrong with just taking something up and crashing a few dozen times while you figure things out.

Many of us who are playing today also got our start with very simple and forgiving sims. When I got into them, there was no mixture, no prop pitch, no spins, no torque, and no p-factor (which was good, because I didn't bother binding rudder controls). It's a lot easier if you enable that stuff a few at a time, once you get the hang of the basics.

[zaxomi]

Honestly, it is a simulator and not a game.

You do not need to buy extra content, controllers, etc to "play the game". But you can spend a lot of money to make it as realistic as you want.

[Nexxxeh]

I'd be surprised if we don't see a proliferation of online flight schools where you stream and your instructor walks you through it.

Similar to FPS games coaching.

Instead of getting into your region's Platinum rank in Overwatch, you learn to solo fly a new type of aircraft with AI assistance turned off.

[g_p]

I think this could well happen, especially given the current unfortunate levels of lay-offs in commercial aviation. There's a load of qualified ATPs and others out there starting YouTube channels, and I think online flight schools would make sense.

A "shared cockpit" remotely controlled plane mod to facilitate training in flight school would probably be helpful, but then if you start going down that route, you'd likely want a force feedback stick/yoke (and something like FS Force) to give you the ability to see and feel what's happening.

The only part I'm unsure of is if it's difficult enough to fly solo without AI assists to merit all this? Very hard to gauge when you can do it already. But still will be interesting to see what happens.

[Sohcahtoa82]

> And given how fast the modding is taking off,

Pun intended?

[pirocks]

In a real plane you can fairly easily exceed the maximum extended speed for flaps, and break them. Don't know exactly how fs2020 handles this, but xplane displays a warning and then simulates the effects of asymmetric lift caused by one set of of flaps failing.

[jamesbfb]

You wouldn’t be the first, I swear I’ve seen an episode or 2 of Air Crash Investigations where some unsuspecting pilot forgets to retract the flaps, causing something disastrous.

[mav3rick]

Hey, try this guy's tutorials. Very thorough - https://youtu.be/t_yOXAKjyHs

[quaa55]

i noticed my logitech quadrants mixture at 100%~=50% actual mixture which gave me a hellaciously slow c152.

seemed about 70% mixture gave me best performance.