[Aerialoo]

The vigilantes? They are literally trying to destroy privacy and fungibility on the network. Thank god for CoinJoins.

[X6S1x6Okd1st]

vigilantes are people that go out and impose their version of justice on the world. Just because your vision of justice includes privacy & fungibility doesn't mean everyone's does.

[hatenberg]

Vigilantes spawn in place of formal enforcement of justice. Given that Bitcoin is designed with that void in mind it was inevitable.

[X6S1x6Okd1st]

Or where they feel like their vision of justice is not being enforced.

[nitrogen]

If that's even possible that is the network's fault.

[X6S1x6Okd1st]

Depends on the goals and tradeoffs of the network

[treebornfrog]

Agreed. I'm not a fan of chainalysis.

Monero ftw.

[prophesi]

I think there's room to be both a fan of Chainalysis _and_ privacy coins. The former will hopefully expedite the general adoption of the latter.

[sgp_]

Exactly, people freak out when companies look at public data on an open, permissionless network. What did you expect?

[boring_twenties]

CoinJoin isn't a serious solution. If you want privacy, you need Monero.

[jungans]

Privacy is a continuum. CoinJoin offers a trade-off between privacy and convenience. It is good enough for some cases.

[boring_twenties]

Is it? From last week: https://medium.com/oxt-research/a-statement-on-two-discovere...

[sgp_]

Is having your coins flagged by an exchange for using privacy features convenient?

[Aerialoo]

CoinJoins exist exactly to fix the problem of fungibility.

[natcombs]

> destroy privacy and fungibility on the network

Do people expect privacy from the bitcoin network?

[Pick-A-Hill2019]

The 'Noobs' and low hanging fruit do. Fortunately the internet can be used to educate, guide and inform.

[Aerialoo]

I can assure you that's not true, a lot of good developers like Chris Belcher are actively working towards it and even receive grants. New BIPs also propose privacy improvements. Anyone can care about privacy. It's a pseudo-anonymous network, but it can be used anonymously.