[chiefalchemist]

So it's "let's all get together...except you religious types...y'all go stand in the corner...away from me."? Is that it??

Togetherness requires compromise. Togetherness requires empathy. Togetherness requires _understanding_. And sometimes we - not the proverbial "they" - must take the first steps.

I'm not advocating you join a religion. But if you attend a service or support an event or read a book...you'll be just fine. No bunnies or puppies will die.

Yes, some are over-zealous. No different than (e.g.) many Democrats and Republicans. Or Capitalists. Or crossfit'ers :) If you can't figure out what makes committed people tick your faux religion will forever be a religion of one.

As human beings we are flawed, as are so many of our paradigms and constructs. We tend to want to over-simplify. We're complicated. Life is nuanced.

The point is, the meeting point - for all of us, like it or not - is half way. The world is suddenly not going to come to us. We must go to it. Engage it. And nudge it and ding it from there.

Yes. Very unHN. I may be punished for it. I'll live :)

[Schwan]

No, thats not what i said!

I tolerate religious people. I do believe that those religions put a deep wedge in our society but that has nothing to do what i meant.

I personally will not work/help an organisation which is build around a religion. I'm not a Christ, so why would i go to the Caritas?

My main problem is, with current existing big systems like churches, they put a lot of rules out. Don't be homosexual, they discriminate against females etc.

Now they do have and had a huge number of followeres. We need something similiar and with we i mean people who care about the environment and think its crucial for us to change. And that is more inclusive as the basic rule is not 'do not be religious' its just not based on it.

We do have science in a way, or at least i have as a believe system but 'we' dont have a lobby. We are not organized.