[oskee80]

I've been following Fuel's commits ever since they were on GitHub, and it's been impressive watching it all come together. The only concern I have is with the overall tone of the project, influenced mainly by Dan.

There was one comment here about namespaces... Phil gave a detailed answer; Dan says 'if you don't like it, don't use the framework'. Someone brought up the HTML class... Phil explains why it's there and that it isn't loaded unless you want to use it; Dan says the same thing, but adds 'stop whining'. I think Dan is incredibly talented, but I've seen he is very quick to use the words dumb, idiot and retard in his Twitter stream.

As a mid-level developer that uses mainly CodeIgniter, there is a lot about Fuel that is new to me and I don't fully understand. If I were to start using Fuel and had maybe a dumb question about how something worked, part of me wonders if I'd be berated publicly or called an idiot. That doesn't make me want to rush out and start learning something new.

I'm really grateful to all the Fuel devs for busting their asses to release this framework, the one criticism I have is one of PR, and the supposed 'community-driven' aspect of it.

[philsturgeon]

I understand this, really. Dan is under a great deal of pressure, as are we all. Most of the developers run several OS projects that have a large following, but when threads like this pop up it's hard not to get frustrate. Fuel already has an amazing community with an IRC already far more active and tolerant than any framework support I know.

Try asking a question in #rails. Chances are you won't even see anybody post for 3 days, and if they reply they'll call you a fking noob.

[clarkgriswold]

I have to whole heartedly agree with oskee80 on this one and I feel the need to chime in on it. Jelmer, Phil, you guys are fantastic when it comes to public relations. Dan, not so much. I feel the same way as oskee80; as a mid level developer I do feel a little discouraged about asking questions.

As a framework that is designed for simplicity I'm sure it's going to be an attractive choice for junior to intermediate developers, especially because there is a lot that you can learn from it which I can attest to as I already have. Thank you BTW. But that being said, and as you guys already know, there will be a lot of no0bish questions and seemingly stupid things said simply out of ignorance (Within the true meaning of the word ignorance as in "uninformed or lack of knowledge". Sorry, had to put that in there as I've seen and heard that word get misused a lot). Those questions need to be dealt with professionally. Lest we forget that we were all no0bs once. Never forget where you came from!

Going forward, I would suggest that all PR should be dealt with by you and Jelmer. At the same time though I can understand that that's a whole lot work that you guys would rather not have split between just the two of you. But what else can you do? I know you guys understand.

Anyway, something I know that you guys don't hear enough: Thanks for all of your hard work for giving us a sweet new kickass PHP framework. It really is f*#king amazing and I fall more and more in love with it every time I play with it. As a CI user of 2 years I now feel bored when I have to work on my CI based projects. That's a good thing. Cheers.

[oskee80]

Thanks for replying. I can understand how someone who puts tons of time and effort into something can sometimes mistake questions and confusion for criticism. I plan on using Fuel for something soon, and if I have any questions I'll check out the IRC channel.