[skrap]

I don't think that's the full picture. I think people "roll coal" because they get pleasure from causing frustration by their actions. It's all about "owning the libs" or similar.

I drive a prius, and several times I have seen coal rollers cross several lanes of traffic to sit in front of me with their stacks spewing. They don't know anything about me other than the brand of car I choose, but it's enough to make them go out of their way. It's got to be a positive reinforcement mechanism.

I think the reason why you can't have a rational discussion is that it will play directly into this cycle! Give someone a choice between an uncomfortable analysis of their own behavior versus a pleasurable peel out with yet another frustrated do-gooder in their wake, and they'll choose the latter each time.

Honestly I think they'll just have to get bored before they stop.

[throwaway0a5e]

>frustration by their actions.

Frustration among the people they perceive to be trying to screw them over is the key part you're missing.

>They don't know anything about me other than the brand of car I choose

Whether you like it or not the things you do, including the car you choose to buy, send a signal. The signal happens to not be accurate in your case.

[Nursie]

> Frustration among the people they perceive to be trying to screw them over is the key part you're missing.

Right, but the original conversation was in respect to giving people the tools and information they need to make good decisions.

At this point those tools and that information has been out there for a long time.

So if they perceive that people are trying to screw them over, then we've just come full circle and proved the point - Treating them like adults and giving them pros and cons so they can make a rational decision has not worked.