[moksha256]

Yeah I came here to say the same. I'm about as tin-foil-paranoid-privacy-all-the-things as they come, but the "invasive" data mentioned in the post don't seem particularly invasive to me, and collecting that data seems perfectly appropriate for the purposes you mentioned.

With all that said, I do dream of a PINE64 E Ink device (or something that's open and hackable).

[enchiridion]

Remarkable is open and hackable.

https://github.com/reHackable

[jjcon]

It also costs more than an iPad and has terrible response times

[enchiridion]

Yep, pretty consistent for e-ink.

Still, I think it has the best value proposition for an e-ink tablet at the moment, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

[jjcon]

Probably true - I’ll snatch it up the moment color e-ink is a thing, color is vital for most of the papers I work with and for books I prefer a smaller form factor so from my perspective it sits in kinda an odd part of the market.

[enchiridion]

Color e-ink is close, which is really impressive imo. I did not expect to see it for years.

Who knows how long it will take to get good enough yields for affordable consumer products.

https://www.eink.com/color-technology.html

[gnusty_gnurc]

Yea analytics like this are really what I find to be so important, as a developer.

How much time and frustration do I potentially waste on something that no one ends up using?

Things like this are very useful and it's strange to me that people aren't sympathetic to that perspective.

[taneq]

I think a lot of people are sympathetic to that perspective while still wanting control over their privacy.

It's the difference between someone inviting you to come into their home for a visit, and you breaking in whenever you feel like to take notes on what they're doing.

[pseudalopex]

It's strange to you people care more about their autonomy than your convenience?

Telemetry can tell you what users are doing. It doesn't tell you why.

[gnusty_gnurc]

I'm saying as someone who works in software I empathize with the idea of spending lots of time implementing a feature, tearing hair out over some technical issue, etc. only to realize no one uses that feature.

I'd rather people be able to opt-in, but conceptually I'm not really upset that people can see my usage patterns, etc.

[pseudalopex]

I think most of us work in software. Asking for consent isn't hard.

Telemetry won't tell you nobody wants a feature you haven't implemented yet. User research might.

[Shared404]

> the "invasive" data mentioned in the post doesn't seem particularly invasive to me[.]

Attempting to get the subnet IP address? That seems pretty invasive.

From the article:

> Attempt to get the IP address on the local network (a 10. address, which was incorrect for me)

[eclipxe]

What, exactly, will that do for them?

[Shared404]

That's my point. The data is both A) Invasive and B) Pointless, unless trying to do things they shouldn't on your network. But they still collect it for some reason.

[neiman]

> don't seem particularly invasive to me, and collecting that data seems perfectly appropriate for the purposes you mentioned.

Fine. So you allow them to collect it. However, don't decide for others if it's "invasive" or "perfectly appropriate" for them or not. Do it opt-in such that people who wants to share their data could do that.

Oh yeah, and offer them payment for that. They deserve it.