[BeetleB]

> Or is quality left up to the primary researchers?

Individual researchers, and in many disciplines (like physics), there is almost no emphasis on quality.

I left academia a decade ago, but at the time all except one of my colleagues protested when version control was suggested to them. Some of these have code in the 30-40K lines.

[bumby]

I formerly worked in research, left and am now back in a quasi-research organization.

It’s bit disconcerting seeing how much quality is brushed aside particularly in software. Researchers seem to intuitively grasp how they need quality hardware to do their job, yet software rarely gets the same consideration. I’ve never been able to get many to come around to the idea that software should be treated the same as any other engineered product that enables their research

[core-questions]

> protested when version control was suggested

Academics are strange like this. The root reason is fear: fear that you're complicating their process, that you're going to interrupt their productivity or flow state, that you're introducing complication that has no benefit. They then build up a massive case in their minds for why they shouldn't do this; good luck fighting it.

Doubly so if you're IT staff and don't have a PhD. There's a fundamental lack of respect on behalf of (a vocal minority) of academics about bit plumbers, until of course when they need us to do something laughably basic. It's the seeds of elitism; in reality we should be able to work together, each of us understanding our particular domain and working to help the other.

[BeetleB]

> The root reason is fear: fear that you're complicating their process, that you're going to interrupt their productivity or flow state, that you're introducing complication that has no benefit.

Yes, but how does it compare to all the complicated processes that exist in academic institutions currently? Almost all of which originated from academics themselves, mind you.

[core-questions]

It's not that complicated. No one individual process is that bad. The problem is that there's so many that you need to steep in it for ages to pick everything up.

This means it makes most sense to pick up processes that are portable and have longevity. Learning Git is a pretty solid example.

[gowld]

I think this is why industry does better science than academia, at least in any area where there are applications. Generally, they get paid for being right, not just for being published, so they put respect and money into people that help get correct results.

[jack_h]

I think this is a much wider problem than just in academia/research. Really any area where software isn't the primary product tends to have fairly lax software standards. I work in the embedded firmware field and best practices are often looked at with skepticism and even derision by the electrical engineers who are often the ones doing the programming^[1].

I think software development as a field is incredibly vast and diverse. Programming is an amazing tool, but it's a tool that requires a lot of knowledge in a lot of different areas.

^[1] This isn't universally true of course, I'm not trying to be insulting here.

[gowld]

"quality" is a subjectit word. Let's be clear what this means:

Individual researchers, and in many disciplines (like physics), there is almost no emphasis on correct results, merely on believable results.

[bumby]

There are a few standardized definitions. The most succinct bring “quality is the adherence to requirements”.

As an example, if your science has the requirement of being replicable (as it should) there are a host of best practices that should flow down to the software development requirements. Not implementing those best practices would be indicative of lower quality