[riq_]

> "fairness"

The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA.

There are other countries that are not a democracy an that are allies with the USA, like Saudi Arabia. But they are "good", apparently.

And also, just remember that the USA only supports the democracies that are aligned with the way of thinking. Just do a bit of research and see what happened to South America in the 70s' and 80's... and more recently to Bolivia.

Also, most of the products that you use today were built, at least in part, in China.

[echelon]

> The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA.

China is bad because it is a horrific human rights abuser without democratic elections. You march to the beat of the CCP drum or you're removed. You're also severely disadvantaged if you aren't Han Chinese. The Uighurs are being systematically exterminated, and they're not the only ones that suffer.

The US isn't perfect. Our immigration laws and history of racism, sexism, and homophobia leave much to be desired. But we're not a dictatorship and we're a net force for good. I'd rather be a US citizen than a Chinese one.

Most of the world recognizes that China is becoming worrisomely powerful, and we've collectively decided that we need to put them back in check. Thankfully Xi is flexing all of China's muscles in an early show of strength, which has gotten the world's attention. Nobody wants totalitarian China to be the dominant superpower. Xi played his hand early, and now the walls are about to cave in.

As impressive as China's domestic capabilities look, they have an aging population with a huge gender imbalance that will bite them in a few short decades. If the world decouples manufacturing and supply chains from China over this same time period, China is going to have significant problems. They're not as self-sufficient as they look. They're an importer of energy and food, and without exports they won't be able to sustain their growth internally.

The world is trying to knee-cap China, and it makes sense.

[asddubs]

it feels like you haven't really responded to the post you're replying to. the point they were making is that if that's what this was about, that standard would be enforced against saudi arabia as well.

[echelon]

It's probably because I agree with the OP's assessment, though they seemed impartial or critical of anti-China sentiment.

I happen to think what we are doing is justified and an imperative to maintaining our way of life.

[romanoderoma]

I think your American centric view gave you some blind spots

For once

>As impressive as China's domestic capabilities look, they have an aging population with a huge gender imbalance that will bite them in a few short decades.

Europe is in the same situation, it doesn't mean Europe will disappear

Japan is in a worse situation, but it's still the third economy in the World for GDP

> If the world decouples manufacturing and supply chains from China over this same time period, China is going to have significant problems.

You forgot (or you don't know) that China is practically colonizing Africa, which is gonna be the next big thing and has a lot of younger work force available, not considering that with 1.3 billion population is gonna be one of the largest markets in the World

USA has only 320 million citizen and only 80% of them are American born.

You also forgot that China is the United States' 3rd largest goods export market

It's also the third largest market for Apple devices.

China is also the largest supplier for USA, which means that on one side China get a lot of benefits trading on the US market, but also that USA without China goods is not gonna work the same way.

[sudosysgen]

This seems like it could have been a copy-pasted block that is answered at comments with certain keywords (not that I think it is).

That is to say, it has very little to do with the arguments of the comment it replies to, or outright ignores them. It is good to engage people you reply to instead of talking at them.

[archibaldJ]

Such anti-China sentiments worry me because these are precisely the kinds of thinking (on both sides) that lead to over-generalisation and refusal to be in one another’s shoes.

Imagine 20 years from now Mars settlement has started to become reality. And most earthlings are still stuck at the primitive notions of dividing people and labeling things in overly generalised categories like the abstract notions of sovereign states.

I just hope when we have finally colonised Mars people who settle down in this otherworld are not as divided as we currently are.

[082349872349872]

No doubt martians will find other silly ways to divide themselves.

    Domers rule, ok?
    Tunnels Tunnels #1! #1!

    We use sols.
    They use mars seconds.

At least martians will be able to agree their chronology has a Year Zero?

[asjw]

I don't understand if this has to be considered an answer to the previous post, it sound more like a reaction

But if

> China is bad because it is a horrific human rights abuser without democratic elections.

What about US where people have SIX times the chances of being shot and killed in the streets?

(1 every 100k VS 6 every 100k)

I mean: safety is a human right, especially in democratic western supposedly civilized countries

To find another country with such bad homicide stats you have to look at undeveloped countries run by criminal cartels or warlords