[capableweb]

If you want to make videos family friendly, it's probably better to aim for removing violence than nudity, as one is clearly worse for the psych than the other.

Expansion: how are nude scenes not family friendly? Not trying to start any flame wars here, just trying to understand how one or two scenes with nudity suddenly means the video is not family friendly? We all go through life seeing nudity, so should be fine. Violence however is something we both strive and should avoid as much as possible.

[skrause]

> Expansion: how are nude scenes not family friendly?

The answer is "American Prudery".

[pledg]

See also American TV where you can show pretty extreme violence but not swear.

[zodiakzz]

Gore-filled cartoons censoring/hiding the female nipple always gets me.

[wlesieutre]

On that note, did you see this? https://www.indy100.com/article/instagram-is-flummoxed-by-me...

[chance_state]

No, not really. Most people don't want to watch graphic sex scenes with their parents. It's not a "muh America" issue.

[konart]

> Most people don't want to watch graphic sex scenes with their parents.

Teenagers don't, obviously. But when you are 30+ and you are watching a movie with your father or mother - none of you is embarrassed by it typically. Exactly because for grown-ups it's just sex.

And anyway - how many movies you can name with graphic sex scenes that are now porno? I can think of barely 2 or 3 maybe

[null_deref]

Why not both? You could also argue that repeatedly seeing the most beautiful actors in the business nude, can hurt a teenager self image pretty badly, or that learning about sex from movies is probably not the best idea.

[sjwright]

IMHO it’s not sex that’s the real problem for teenagers, but rather extreme sexualisation. And that doesn’t require nudity.

[null_deref]

Yes, I agree, nudity is not always over sexualized, and I too, recognize the problem is sexualization.

[pmachinery]

Surely it's not that hard to understand that for religious, cultural or other reasons some people and/or members of their family may feel uncomfortable seeing nudity.

[izacus]

It doesn't make that viewpoint any less bizarre when our media is filled with people murdering each other on pretty much hourly basis. And it doesn't make a viewpoint that allows killing over depicting our bodies any less worth challenging.

[capableweb]

Yeah, as far as I know, no religions or cultures forbid people to be naked or see other naked people. What other reasons are you referring to here?

It is indeed hard for me to understand how someone can feel uncomfortable seeing nudity, as it's everywhere in life and always has been.

[names_are_hard]

You're not very familiar with other religions, then. I was raised in a religious environment that absolutely forbade people to see members of the opposite sex naked except in very specific scenarios (ie married couples, doctors treating patients, and that's about it).

This was one of the stated reasons why we couldn't watch TV or movies that weren't strictly vetted first.

[saagarjha]

Religions or cultures don't forbid this in general, but some do for purposes outside of procreation. It's really not "everywhere in life" for most people.

[pmachinery]

Nudity isn't "everywhere in life", so what is the point of this, since it's not to start a flame war?

[capableweb]

I take a shower in the morning, nude. I go to the beach, there is nude people. I go to the gym and after taking a shower, nude people. I look at Instagram/Facebook/Any social media, there will be almost nude people, same with ads all over the place. Sometimes I sleep naked too. If you have a family, there is plenty of nudity and can happen at any point. Anyone who raised a child will give you an idea of how much nudity there really is in life.

[pmachinery]

That's not everywhere, it's two examples. Beaches and communal showers.

"Almost nude" simply means not nude, and personal, private nudity is obviously different from seeing other people nude.

Even if someone doesn't mind seeing naked people in the situations you describe, it still doesn't follow they should therefore be okay with nudity on screen in front of their family.

[bishalb]

That's like saying you are always nude under your clothes so nudity isn't a problem. Nudity in movies is like softcore porn and they often come with bed scenes. Of course if your family is just you and your wife it's fine but I don't think any sane person would consider that ok for kids.

[ivalm]

Why not? I’d definitely be more ok with a soft core scene than some brutal violence. Sex is normal/good part of life. One should educate kids about sex (and when it is appropriate) rather than pretend it literally doesn’t exist.

[monadic2]

Reading the thread, it seems to be trying to explain the double standard with violence.

[terhechte]

What Kind of Religion would find the depiction of violence and death fine, and the creation of life / nudity “uncomfortable“?

[danielheath]

I mean... not to be banal, but... most of them?

Certainly all the abrahamic ones are fine with detailed descriptions of violence (have you read the Old Testament).

[capableweb]

Most of religions forbid people to be naked / see other people naked? Please, list some of them, as I'm having a hard time finding which ones do this.

[yepguy]

The Catholic Church insists on modesty, for example. You won't find an outright ban on nudity, because what is considered modest can change depending on culture. However, if you are trying to remain chaste by avoiding pre-marital sex & masturbation, it is not difficult to see how sexually explicit images make that difficult. In fact, pornography is specifically singled out as a crime against chastity.

> 2523 There is a modesty of the feelings as well as of the body. It protests, for example, against the voyeuristic explorations of the human body in certain advertisements, or against the solicitations of certain media that go too far in the exhibition of intimate things. Modesty inspires a way of life which makes it possible to resist the allurements of fashion and the pressures of prevailing ideologies.

> 2524 The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man. It is born with the awakening consciousness of being a subject. Teaching modesty to children and adolescents means awakening in them respect for the human person. [1]

> 2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials. [2]

[1]: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2... [2]: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2...

[hvdijk]

You are conflating nudity and porn when they are two different things, and as far as nudity is concerned, focusing only on whether it is okay according to Christianity to be naked, rather than the other question more relevant to this story, which is whether it is okay according to Christianity to see someone else (who may or may not be Christian themself) be naked.

[cole-k]

From my (limited) understanding of Genesis, I assumed nudity was thought to be fine, at least in the beginning. It was only after eating the forbidden fruit did Adam and Eve clothe themselves, presumably out of some sort of shame or "decency."

I wouldn't be surprised if there are later passages condemning it, but I personally prefer the interpretation that it's not religion which makes nudity uncomfortable, but mankind and their flaws.

[EugeneOZ]

These people need to follow rest of civilization and educate themselves.

[goda90]

Lots of nudity in film is of a sexual nature. Uncontrolled exposure to fictional depictions of sex could create unhealthy understanding of sex in children that parents want to avoid. Hence not family friendly. I'm not saying most in film violence is either, but that's the reason.

One film I think of in this regard is Schindler's List. I've seen both the original and the TV edit that Spielberg made to broadcast for teenagers to see. The primary edits I noticed were sex scenes and post-sex nudity. Those scenes weren't gratuitous(they showed something about the characters) or anything, but were edited(either cut or blacked out part of the frame). BUT there was still lots of nudity in the edited film. This was nudity of a different nature. People forced to strip down and paraded in the open for inspection.

Sometimes parents just want to take the easy path and consider all nudity as out of bounds for their kids. I think that's fine.

[dirtnugget]

I would generally put Schindlers List onto the "not-so-family-friendly"-list. It’s educational I guess but I wouldn’t want to show it to anyone below 16. And after that the nudity should be fine.

[kube-system]

FWIW, my local secondary school here in the US has no issues showing Schindlers List to students in class. But this attitude isn’t something that would extend to a movie with nudity of a sexual or casual nature.

[heavenlyblue]

> Sometimes parents just want to take the easy path and consider all nudity as out of bounds for their kids.

Sometimes parents consider vaccinations to be out of bounds for their kids, too.

[shubb]

That's starting from the assumption you are doing this to engineer your children ands psychology.

Actually I think a lot of people find it awkward to watch graphic sex scenes and extended nudity with their family. As a grown up, the I feel awkward watching parts of game of thrones with my parents.

That's a shame because I would like to watch this show with them. Lately a lot of major TV shows seem to aim to include one nude scene per episode - I guess the money people think that's what sells...

I can understand why some people might find violence equally difficult, but where it features it tends to be much more tied to the plot.

[schrijver]

Right, but doesn’t this awkwardness come from you growing up in a culture (I assume U.S.) where depictions of nudity are taboo?

If this taboo wouldn’t have existed for you as a kid I’m not so sure the awkwardness would exist for you as an adult. As a sample size of 1, coming from a country where there is much less of a taboo I feel very differently on this topic.

[dang]

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24251297.

[umvi]

Because it's awkward getting sexually aroused in front of family members?