[doonesbury]

I despise marketing and politics insofar as how it's done: lying, picking very narrow talking points without acknowledging the larger context and contradictions it comes with.

Marketing is what you do you don't have to hard sell: the customer comes in pretty convinced already. Sales esp. cold calling and hard selling is another matter and you do with no or bad marketing.

As usual anything that started good becomes severely distorted in the hands of the wrong people. Listen to a pitch from or discussion of marketing from Berkshire&H, AMD, Motorola, Broderbund sure. But listening to amway, a direct marketer, or Enron no thank you.