[ldng]

Yet hundreds of companies are created every year.

You just illustrate the tipical French mentality ingrained by media all year long. A comment full of cliché. If France is so bad, move out. You'll learn a thing or two in the process. Beginning with the grass is not always greener elsewhere.

[dang]

> A comment full of cliché. If France is so bad, move out.

Please don't do nationalistic flamewar like this on HN. (This also is a cliché, and a nasty one.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[ldng]

It was not meant as nationalistic. But point taken, it can read across that way.

[Uberphallus]

Yet hundreds of companies die, too.

> You just illustrate the tipical French mentality ingrained by media all year long.

Living in France for 8 years and creating 2 companies doesn't seem to count, eh? Now I have my companies elsewhere in Europe and just pay my taxes on the revenues in France, only not to deal with the bureaucratic overhead.

> If France is so bad, move out.

The chauvinism is strong in this one. I'm in France, because I like things here. But startup culture isn't one of them. Why take criticism of a country's policy personally?

If you love your country try to fix it, don't suggest people who complain to leave.

> You'll learn a thing or two in the process.

I'm sure I would. I mean, I've done it.

[lm28469]

> because I like things here

Do you think it would stay the same without all the regulations you love to hate ?

You can't complain about paying taxes and at the same time say you love France, 80% of the things that makes France a good country to live in are financed by taxes one way or another. Just look over the pond if you want to see how France would look without regulations, 1930 France is today's US in term of workers rights and social security. I'm sure it's perfect if you're in the top 15%, not so much otherwise

[vladvasiliu]

It's not an all or nothing situation. GP is likely not opposed to each and every regulation and would like to see them all, 100%, go.

They pay taxes in France, it's only natural to want to have a say in how this money is spent. Complaining against the way things are doesn't mean that they would want each and every regulation repealed and switch completely to the way things are "over the pond". It could, it probably doesn't. They probably would have gone over the pond if it were the case.

[Juliate]

> The chauvinism is strong in this one. I'm in France, because I like things here. But startup culture isn't one of them.

I think this depends a lot on where you are, and who you connect to, and whose judgement you value too.

The mood felt very different to me between Paris intramuros, Paris suburb, Nantes, Bordeaux, Sophia, and even in each location, there are coexisting networks (installed businesses, "web" startups, industry ones, "marketing" ones, etc.) with different aims/cultures.

[ldng]

> Yet hundreds of companies die, too.

Like everywhere in the world.

I do not mind argumented criticism. But you are making broad subjectives statements that we ear ALL the time. If France was such an hostile place to business, it would not be the 7th largest economy in the world (2019).

>> If France is so bad, move out. > The chauvinism is strong in this one.

I could answer in bad faith that cultural imperial is also strong and that one need to learn the culture of the country one lives in as they will not find "silicon valley" culutre everywhere.

But really it was not my point. My point is I'm fed up with people painting such a dark picture of France. Most of the critism are way too often resumed to, I want the cake and eat it too, the quality of life but not the bureaucracy and taxes. It gets old fast.

> > You'll learn a thing or two in the process. > I'm sure I would. I mean, I've done it.

And it looks like you even pick up the French national sport I'm no stranger to: whining. (tone: light hearted joke, not personal attack to be clear)

[larrysalibra]

> If France is so bad, move out. You'll learn a thing or two in the process. Beginning with the grass is not always greener elsewhere.

They do move out! I'm in Hong Kong and we're lucky to have 10s of thousands of French people that were frustrated with the business environment in France and moved to Hong Kong. They start businesses from restaurants to crypto currency exchanges. It's really great having them (and other immigrants around).

I encourage France to continue whatever policies they have that encourage their best and brightest to head for places that treat them better.

[dudul]

> If France is so bad, move out

Be careful what you wish for, because "they" are indeed moving out. Human capital flight is a very real problem in France.

[ldng]

As granted elsewhere in the thread, it is poorly worded. But it is fine to go. But then count those who move back.

That said, reality is lot of businesses have moved in since Brexit, despite supposed overwhelming bureaucracy.

Maybe the truth is elsewhere and much more complicated than broad blanket statements and politically biased myths that keep spreading.