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Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 3

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of person.

Article 22

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23

1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment. 2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work. 3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection. 4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

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You can either give people unemployment (wage without work)[as per 22 or 23(3)] by taxing the companies you mention, or you can make the companies to give money directly to the people in return for work. There is no third way. You can't deprive people of a dignified life by ignoring them.

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Positive and Negative Rights or Coercion and Non-Coercion Rights

"Negative and positive rights are rights that oblige either inaction (negative rights) or action (positive rights). These obligations may be of either a legal or moral character. The notion of positive and negative rights may also be applied to liberty rights." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights

Rights are either (1) liberties that are stipulated to not be infringed by the government (Saying "Dear Leader is a bad leader" is protected speech and taxes/government cannot be used to prosecute someone for saying it) or (2) The ability to demand services to be rendered by the government so one's desires are fulfilled (I demand the ability to take from you via taxes to pay police so that I can have protective forces / police to defend me saying "Dear Leader is a bad leader")

Organizing political unions around negative rights (1) is socially scalable and recursible: "who among us agrees we will never kill our fellow man? of those in the subset, who will agree to never assault someone unless if and only if the person who is to be assaulted, has already assaulted someone" (2) is not socially scalable "Who agrees we should coerce person/group x if some of you feel person/group y wants what person/group x has"

If you think it's possible to write laws the subsidize the well-being of the destitute, Please let me know who I should sue for landing on a desert island and starving to death. Reality isn't fortunate nor charitable -- consensual, opt-in unions can be.

> Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Well, I declare differently. Words are wind (unless backed up by an argument).

> You can't deprive people of a dignified life by ignoring them.

Ignoring someone is not depriving them of anything.

Sacrificing some people for the sake of other people--what you are advocating--deprives both groups of a dignified life.

Human sacrifice is utterly barbaric and would be outlawed in a truly civilized society.

The UDHR is a joke. It considers it your human right for someone to kidnap you and (re)educate you. In addition it considers marriage a human right.

> There is no third way

You can give them a piece of fertile land.

Anyone can make any arbitrary decision and call it a human right, it does not make it so. Watch:

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Article 6753 Everyone has the right to play video games 24 hours a day.

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Nobody is entitled to life, nor dignity. Simply because someone else exists on the planet doesn't mean their livelihood is now my burden. Me existing doesn't mean you ought to be enslaved to provide for me.