[ed25519FUUU]

And state and city governments went ahead and took 80% of their covid money to pay themselves or their sinking pensions, etc.

> As part of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act signed in March, Sacramento County received $181 million to fund necessary programs or expenses tied to the COVID-19 pandemic ... Of the nearly $148 million that the county has already spent in the last few months, more than $104 million went toward paying for salaries and benefits

1. https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article244813632.html

[jshaqaw]

You mean to pay for teachers, first responders, etc...? Yes it takes humans to provide services.

[throwaway_USD]

>You mean to pay for teachers

This is going to be a very interesting and telling litmus test for the future of the Country in the next few months.

If public schools go the route of remote teaching, which I think they will...then I don't see much choice but for State, County and local governments to go to war against the Teachers Unions and lay waste to upwards of 75% of the teacher workforce. Lets ballpark about 3M teachers losing their jobs and the entire educational system reformed where there is very limited public school in person attendance. As bad as losing 3M jobs would be to the economy, there will be untold negative impacts on children and parents that will have to leave their children unsupervised during the day.

[ghaff]

Why do you think remote teaching takes markedly fewer people?

[tsherr]

It should take one really good "lecturer" and then a bunch of TAs. The TAs would be lower paid off course. Would it be fewer overall all? Maybe not, but salaries would change.

[giantg2]

It should be interesting.

In a lot of states, it's not legal to leave your kids unsupervised depending on their age. I would guess that if they laid off teachers (which I think is unlikely on a massive scale due to them facilitating the online classes), then those laid off teachers might be hired as tutors or baby sitters.

[jshaqaw]

I'm not so sure of this. First of all, remote learning takes just as many teachers as in-person learning unless the education plan is just "watch Khan academy and check in with us in a year." In fact under the hybrid models being proposed in areas like NYC it will take more teachers as the teacher doing in-class learning cannot simultaneously handle remote instruction. There are some decent ed-tech products out there but they can't put education on autopilot.

Second, even if you had the technology to automate remote learning during the crisis, are you going to fire all your teachers only to rehire them in Spring/Summer? No I don't have a crystal ball on the future but I'd be surprised if by Spring we didn't have some form of viable if not 100% effective vaccine. We won't be locked inside forever.

[giantg2]

Yep, most expensive part of local budgets by far.

[ed25519FUUU]

Weird, how did they pay these people without emergency covid funding??

[jshaqaw]

Tax revenues which have been decimated by the crisis. Unlike the Federal government which can effectively borrow/print whatever it needs, states and municipals are limited by the real world and either have balanced budget requirements or de facto requirements imposed by the bond market/fiscal realities. The equation is simple. Tax revenues have plummeted while expenses have risen due to the costs of coping with the crisis (unemployment, medical services, etc..). Am I saying all of these tax dollars are spent with great efficiency? Of course not. But imposing unnecessary austerity in the middle of a crisis has proven time and time again to do nothing but prolong and deepen economic pain. It would be arbitrary and destructive if say US defense spending can remain immune because it has access to infinite credit while our school district and firefighters will be cut because they are state/local funded.

[giantg2]

Also, they are paying a lot of overtime in health related workers or to make up for workers who test positive and for increased cleaning crews, so not only are the hours going up but they are paying the 1.5x rate more often. Sacramento is also relatively expensive and I assume there are a high number of state employees there since it's the capital.