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by meowface 2128 days ago
I agree it should never, ever be used in any capacity when it comes to criminal proceedings, but as an employment requirement, I think the 3-letter agencies should keep them, and I suspect they will unless/until they perhaps obtain some literal mind-reading technology.

It's a psychological tactic, and is all about pressure. It serves as a potential deterrent and mind game that works on multiple levels. Consider it like a scarecrow in a field. Yeah, some of the smart crows will figure out it's just some clothes on a pole, but it still deters and confuses the rest. The only silly thing would be calling a scarecrow a security guard or a polygraph a lie detector test. It doesn't mean it's silly to put a scarecrow in your field.

Obviously it's 99.9% pseudoscience, and obviously it's beatable and unreliable, but I don't think that's the point. I'm sure they're very much aware of that, and still use it because they see the value of it as a psychological tactic. It's one of many lines of defense: if you pass that line of defense, it definitely doesn't at all imply you're not a spy, but if you don't pass it (in any way), the security requirements dictate that the safest option is for them to not hire you.

Absolutely no positive value should be attributed to a passing result. The idea is exclusively to attribute negative value to a failing result. And then, not value in terms of some actual empirical finding ("was this person really being deceitful?"), but just value in terms of whether or not to hire them to handle the most sensitive of secrets.

The only abomination is using it as a consequential determination of truth or lie, or innocence or guilt, like in a police investigation or trial. It should never be permitted in such a circumstance for any reason.

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Well, good luck with that. Any employer that wants me to submit to a polygraph test will have to do without me. It's beyond ridiculous that this is permitted at all.
I don't think any employer should require or request them besides the 3-letter agencies, to be clear. (I've edited my post to clarify that.) I agree it would be completely absurd for any other organization to require them, and I would never apply for a job with such a company or ever accept such a test; but I'm not someone who wants to work in intelligence or national security.

If you want to work in intelligence or national security, I think that's just one of the things you have to accept, along with being investigated and monitored and surveilled and all that. You know what you're getting into when you apply for such a job. I similarly wouldn't apply for any job that requires my employer to ask all my friends and family about my character and habits.