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by ComputerGuru 2138 days ago
Just for some perspective, I can call up my Dell small business sales rep (who reached out to me after I bought just three or four machines over a period of some years) and give him an obscure part number. He says he needs a minute to look up the part, etc and asks if I’m taking this to a Dell-authorized technician; I say no. He takes advantage of how long it takes for the likely instantaneous result to pop up on the screen to ask if I’m interested in the specials he has going on for business laptops, I politely decline but express interest on behalf of future me. He gives me a quote for the part around 1.5x to 2x what the Chinese knockoff that won’t last a week (I know because I tried) costs, I agree and give him my credit card number which they refuse to keep on file, then he throws in free next business day shipping. I get the part, reference the service and repair manuals Dell makes freely available, and do the repair myself. Oh, and depending on the part in question, there’s a good chance that it is under a two year warranty even though I did the repair myself.

For Apple, I buy used parts in the hope that they come from a genuine device being parted out on eBay each for 50% of the cost of the original device because I know all the new parts are not just fake but bad fakes. I get a part that is past its expiration date, rather abused, but will work. I soak the MacBook in corrosive chemical baths to get the industrial super-strength glue (thank God it’s not epoxy?) to loosen up a little before I get out my exacto, needle nose pliers, a scraper, and a plastic pry tool. I pray nothing breaks while I try to get the part out. Something inevitably breaks (also, try to avoid piercing a battery while you pry it out; li-ion batteries do not like to be manhandled). The cost of a replacement part does not make economic sense. I either let the product sit disused on a shelf hoping to find the part cheaper at a later date, hock the device on eBay for pennies on the dollar for a parts shark to snap up then part out, or throw it in the trash because I’d rather not sell my eight hundred dollar phone for a hundred dollars and this at least gives me the satisfaction of cursing at Apple while I do it.

(Yes, the Apple story is an amalgam of many different adventures with different endings over a decade with many different devices, the majority of which were either ultimately written off or else repaired at prices that didn’t make much sense.)

Oh, in addition to sometimes doing my own repairs, I’m also the final arbiter when it comes to all IT purchases for a school. When I’m asked if we can/should get a fleet of Macs for the faculty and students, I insist we get Thinkpads or Latitudes instead.

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This is the difference between actual professional equipment, and "pro" aspirational marketing for consumer devices.
I don’t know, I guess you can have different definition of PRO. Yours is more about a fleet of devices that’s easy to maintain for a corporation or a school.
Easy repairability is as important for freelancers as it is for larger businesses.

The anecdote that I was replying to seems to be about a freelancer (or at least a very small business - see "bought 3 or 4 machines over a period of a few years"), not someone maintaining a fleet of devices.

My definition of "pro" is just "uses device to make an income".

Apple really doesn't like the environment, does it? You're forced to get a new device every time.

God for business, shit for the world. But Apple customers don't seem to care one bit.

I've a macbook air which is 9 years old, which never gave me a problem until now even after tons of abuse. My work laptop is Dell, about 4 years old - wifi drops at random, battery has swollen etc.

Maybe the reason Apple customers don't care is because their machines give them less trouble? And they have more disposable income?

Not defending Apple here (my next computer is definitely not going to be Apple), just trying to understand how Apple users think.

The thing that sucks is other industries/companies copying Apple. Lenovo computers are increasingly becoming harder to repair. Expensive, big machines like tractors are being locked down etc. Samsung made fun of apple when they removed the headphone jack but now Samsung and everyone else is doing the same, trying to squeeze more money out of the customer, airpods style.

Maybe we should make a list of repair friendly, environment friendly and customer friendly hardware and stick only to those.

For your anecdote there are many others to the contrary. 2 colleagues with Macbook Pros had to hand them in after about 3 years.

A friend bought her Macbook in 2016 or so as a student and it went started having screen problems after a year... so she promptly bought a new one because repairing cost as much a new one. A loan was necessary for that too (poor student).

There was a shared Macbook Pro at work with a bad screen that also had a faulty RAM and it too was easier to simply replace than pay for repair. I was told there was some kind of support contract on it too.

A friend got a secondhand Macbook from 2012 that got slower over the years. Still had a CD/DVD drive and booting from it took about 2 minutes, more until actually accepted input. I resized the Mac partition and installed ubuntu 18.04 on the other partition and that booted more quickly + ran more fluidly with KDE. Her laptop wasn't supported by Apple anymore and she couldn't update the OS either.

I honestly don't see how Mac is easier to use, more reliable or even better supported. Imo, it's just habit, a flashy UI and the "exclusivity" price point. It's a status symbol more than anything. Giving that up is difficult for many, I assume.

I’ve wondered the same for some time, they intentionally used to degrade performance of older iPhones on OS upgrade. Or sell spare parts at obscene prices, actually buying a new device makes more sense than repairing, creating more e-waste. Calls itself a green company!

Disclaimer: you can call me a Apple fanboy, exclusively using multiple Macs for > 12 years, never owned a smartphone that’s not iPhone.

If you're aware of this, is it going to change your shopping behavior?
I guess it's a bit more nuanced. On one hand they support and update their phone's OS for quite a long time, relative to others, and on the other this anti-repair stuff, platform closedness and making a kind of fetish out of having a new phone every year with their superhyped (people camping in front of stores for a phone, really?) yearly release cycle.