[afrojack123]

Mirai has begun selling in California and its even more than the Model 3. It is definitely not subsidized. However, the price between model 3 and the Mirai make me wonder. I don't understand the science fully and I know most people don't know either except for the physicists. I don't trust Elon and batteries could be a short term thing.

[kube-system]

Ah, looks like it has -- last time I checked I thought you could only get one on lease. Honda's FCX Clarity is still limited production and lease-only.

But yes, the Mirai and the fueling stations are definitely subsidized, both in Japan and in California.

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/hydrogen-fueling-in...

https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/eligible-vehicles

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/18/700877189/japan-is-betting-bi...

[afrojack123]

Yep. They give you $15,000 fueling credit for 3 years but this is definitely a forward deposit for building out infrastructure. I am not the most scientific person but I don't like Elon Musk's history and that he didn't address the science properly. Elon Musk bought Tesla and scrubbed the founder's name because it makes it better for storytelling purposes. When mentioned fuel cell vehicles, he called it Fool Cells and wrongly brought up a 2 step process. Theatrics and logically true but wrongly used. I am familiar with these techniques used by bullshitters.