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by rrrazdan 2139 days ago
I found your argument cogent though without sources to back it up, hard to believe. I do not know why you are being downvoted though.

Would it be possible to include sources around what you are claiming?

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This page goes into it some more and does some recalculations to control for TOBS:

https://realclimatescience.com/no-excuse-for-data-tampering/

In this article he makes substantially similar points but goes into the interpolation process:

https://realclimatescience.com/understanding-noaa-us-tempera...

After I read this article, I downloaded the NOAA datasets to check that the claims were correct. It's easy to write a small Python script to select the measurements with "E" after them (meaning estimated) and check the proportions. They matched his graphs so I don't believe there are factual accuracy issues.

In this article he posts old news stories overlayed with recent temperature timeseries versions, showing how much they differ. It has a bunch of examples of old stories from the archives talking about global cooling, and shows why they thought that given the thermometer readings of the time:

https://realclimatescience.com/climate-scientists-rewriting-...

The second article shows with the moniker of "climate change skeptic" is problematic. Virtually nobody criticising climatologists believes the climate doesn't change. Tony Heller is an arch-sceptic, on the far end and willing to make strong accusations of fraud etc, but even his position is that the raw data shows the world getting warmer. As you can see if you read the second link, he argues the "real" data shows warming of 1 degree, rather than the 3 degrees reported by NOAA. So he isn't really a climate change skeptic in the literal sense of the term, even though he'd definitely be described that way by journalists. He just disagrees about the size of the trend.

Here's an overview of the adjustments that get made to climate data, from a "it doesn't really affect the overall trends you dumb skeptics" point of view:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-a...

And here's a more skeptical source: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/06/bombshell-study-tempe...

Calling watts up “skeptical” is like calling holocaust deniers history skeptics. It’s blatant propaganda.

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Anthony_Watts

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/watts-up-with-that/

Skeptics means climate change denialist in your context.
No it doesn't. Very few "climate change skeptics" deny the climate changes. That's a very weak position and changes can be easily seen in almost any data set.

Climate change denialism is a strawman position, designed specifically to sound extreme in order to stop people getting curious and investigating the real beliefs of these bloggers.