[reikonomusha]

Do you know if RC communicates to future participants: “Join this meeting, or you will be removed from the program.” ? Maybe all this theory about weeding non-serious people out is true, but I’d hope each prospective student understands the stakes.

[nikisweeting]

Here's their official communications on it:

> Q: Can I miss X days/weeks of my batch?

> A: It’s okay to miss one or two days of your batch because of prior engagements, however, it’s not okay to miss more than that (e.g., a full week). If you would need to miss more than a couple of days of a batch, you should attend another batch. A large part of the educational value of RC comes from your interactions with your batchmates and alumni, and being around consistently during your batch is an important part of that.

> Q: I only need to miss one day, but it’s the first day of the batch. Is that okay?

> A: No, unfortunately. The first day of a batch is different from the rest, and it’s essential that everyone is there for it. If you can’t make it, you should choose another batch that fits your schedule better.

https://www.recurse.com/faq#section-logistics

[gpm]

Notably that doesn't call out this meeting. The poster was generally present on the first day... they just didn't attend a 7:15am meeting that they weren't even aware was a thing.

[PragmaticPulp]

> Notably that doesn't call out this meeting. The poster was generally present on the first day

If the first day is marked mandatory, then any scheduled events on that day should be assumed to be mandatory unless stated otherwise.

It's not reasonable to read that a day is mandatory and assume that you can show up for only part of the day and get credit for attending the full day.

> they just didn't attend a 7:15am meeting that they weren't even aware was a thing.

Toward the end of the article, the author admits that he simply ignored the calendar invite without reading the details because it was at 7:15AM his time:

> It was on the calendar, but at 7:15am in my local time zone, so by merit of that alone I had simply ignored the event (e.g. did not click it and read the description).

[gpm]

> If the first day is marked mandatory, then any scheduled events on that day should be assumed to be mandatory unless stated otherwise.

This is OPs description of the calendar

> The last thing I remember from onboarding was a link to a shared calendar, to which anyone could create a new event. There were already quite a few on there, such as a weely meeting for people trying to learn more mathematics, another weekly meeting for a ML reading group, a daily leetcode practice time, “office hours” held by various RC staffers, some fun stuff, like a streamed cello practice on saturdays, music / book clubs, and many more.

Certainly not every event on the first day was actually mandatory. Not clicking on the event at 7:15am in the morning just in case doesn't seem to be an offense that deserves this level of punishment.

[PragmaticPulp]

If you join a new organization, they send you a calendar, and the first event on the calendar is marked as an all-hands orientation meeting, would you really assume that it's somehow optional?

> Not clicking on the event at 7:15am in the morning just in case doesn't seem to be an offense that deserves this level of punishment.

I understand that you disagree with the consequences for the authors' actions, but I'm struggling to comprehend all of the people trying to place the blame on Recurse Center when the author clearly admits that he didn't read the communications and chose to ignore the calendar invite.

If someone failed to attend the orientation, failed to respond to an e-mail asking why they missed the orientation (the first e-mail), and admitted that they weren't actually reading the e-mail communications or even reading their own calendar, I would have to assume that they weren't all that interested in taking their participation seriously in the first place.

Reading the details, participating, and showing up on time are basic prerequisites for any organization. It's not realistic to expect the staff to go out of their way to divert effort and attention to those who can't follow through with the basics. It's not fair to the staff, and it's not fair to the rest of the members who are putting in proper effort to follow the rules.

The Recurse Center gave him a second chance to participate in the next session. Given that he missed most of the first day and the orientation and he couldn't engage in a timely manner with follow-up e-mails asking about his absence, I think that's reasonable.

[gpm]

> and the first event on the calendar is marked as an all-hands orientation meeting, would you really assume that it's somehow optional?

If I saw it, of course not. But, if the calendar is filled with community fluff events I would absolutely expect to be told about any mandatory events in another fashion and I might well (like the author) not notice it.

> The Recurse Center gave him a second chance to participate in the next session

Given that this means 6 more weeks of no pay, that's not really a second chance. This sort of time commitment means that it can't just be rescheduled at low cost.

> Given that he missed most of the first day

I see nothing to support this assertion.

[watwut]

There is quite difference between missing first day and missing first morning meeting. I can see how article author would read this and think he is complying.

[nikisweeting]

I agree. Maybe RC will update the FAQ after this incident to make the severity of missing the first meeting in particular clearer.