[gnusty_gnurc]

that's what I'm saying: chinese prosperity is largely happening when they use markets, but the popular idea that there's some unstoppable, ultra-powerful chimera of totalitarianism and capitalism - I think there's a huge burden of proof that it isn't fundamentally still organizational folly like much of totalitarian states/communism

[sudosysgen]

Even the USSR under Lenin utilized markets in some cases. Communist ideology isn't fundamentally opposed to markets.

[coreblocks]

The Chinese economy is hardly communist at this stage, it's a mix of socialism and state sponsored capitalism.

[sudosysgen]

Agreed.