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by thingymajig 2137 days ago
I would agree with listening to the concerns of "the other side", but thus far their concerns do not include good-faith attempts at solving problems.

Largely their "concerns" seem to be that vote-by-mail will circumvent the large amount of effort they've spent to make it harder for poor people to vote.

The president has literally said that he doesn't like vote-by-mail because it makes it impossible for him to win and called it a coup. How do you even begin to work with that?

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Can those that disagree with the above comment explain why?

Genuinely interested, as the comment seems to be accurate based on a handful of Google searches I just did.

The President is opposed to ballots mailed indiscriminately to everyone, and supports those requested by the voter.

Based on the comments in this thread it's pretty clear why: People move all the time, and the state does not necessarily have a current address for everyone.

Interesting. Don't they use a unique identifier for each individual though?

If someone was to try and vote twice from 2 addresses they simply shouldn't be able to because of the unique identifier.

I mean, if they were registered to vote in 2 separate places, they could just drive to 2 different polling stations and vote twice anyway, right?

Also the reverse problem: The current resident gets the ballot and tries to vote with it.

That's part of the whole signature verification thing that isn't working well.

Officially the post office is supposed to do return to sender if the name doesn't match, but I suspect in apartments with frequent turnover they can't realistically do that.

Having the voter request the ballot gets rid of all of that trouble.

> Also the reverse problem: The current resident gets the ballot and tries to vote with it.

Any kind of double voting shenanigans should be pretty straightforward to detect. So when it happens, you [at least] invalidate the second attempt, and forward the details over to the police for investigation and prosecution.

The thing about voting is that most of the legwork in verifying voters is done in advance of any election. By the time you get to ballot-casting, the hard part is done.

Why would there be double voting? The person whose ballot was taken will not vote elsewhere. It's a single vote, just not by the actual voter.
Ironically perhaps, but the GP's post is decidedly not in "good-faith" IMO.

The argument that Republicans want to "make it harder for poor people to vote" is a red herring regarding the voter ID debate.

Similarly, Trump's position on mail-in-ballots, as far as I can tell, is that that the expected ease of large scale voter fraud by relatively few bad actors will make it impossible to win. I have no clue if that's true or not, but to frame the stated claim without also acknowledging the underlying potential issue seems misleading.