[actuator]

I remember during Beijing Olympics, there were these "protest zones" that were created which theoretically should have allowed dissent in these areas. A pass based system was introduced to get access to these places. I remember people who applied for passes getting rounded up by the police.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2008/08/13/china-police-detain-woul...

[lifeformed]

In 1956, the CPC "encouraged citizens to express openly their opinions of the communist regime" and then "after this brief period of liberalization, ... those who were critical of the regime and its ideology ... were rounded up in waves by the hundred of thousands, publicly criticized, and condemned to prison camps for re-education through labor, or even execution."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

[indigo945]

In popular Western tellings of this piece of history, it's usually portrayed as a comic book evil conspiracy by the Chinese government. In actuality, it probably reflects an internal power struggle within the party at the time, where some politicians (among them Mao Zedong) were interested in a process of democratization, whereas others feared for their positions. The fact that a lot of the criticism that was made by the citizens was considerably more fundamental than even Mao had expected eventually eroded Mao's position to the point where he was forced to back down.

This obviously doesn't change the fact that the CPC at the time, like the CPC of today, is a dictatorial organization that should never be supported. But the quotes in your post very much play into the "evil conspiracy" angle, and I think it's important to tell history in a way that reflects the actual power dynamics instead of cloak-and-dagger tales.

[ardy42]

>> In 1956, the CPC "encouraged citizens to express openly their opinions of the communist regime" and then "after this brief period of liberalization, ... those who were critical of the regime and its ideology ... were rounded up in waves by the hundred of thousands, publicly criticized, and condemned to prison camps for re-education through labor, or even execution."

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

> The fact that a lot of the criticism that was made by the citizens was considerably more fundamental than even Mao had expected eventually eroded Mao's position to the point where he was forced to back down.

IIRC, Mao expected the policy to bolster the regime and show how the people genuinely supported it. That didn't happen. Since the goal wasn't to actually let the people express alternative views, they cracked down hard.

I agree it probably wasn't "comic book evil conspiracy," but it's still a good illustration of how risky CCP offers of freedom of speech are.

[tedhuang]

another man's word: Law & Order

[onetimemanytime]

Hitler also sent word that he supports restoration of the monarchy...only to kill those that agreed with that

[noman-land]

Would love to read more about this if you have any sources.

[aww_dang]

Here's an interesting site if you have an interest in monarchism.

http://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2011/11/enemy-of-monarchy-...

[onetimemanytime]

my comment was based on a movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exception based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kaiser%27s_Last_Kiss Of course any monarchy would've recognized the Nazis so maybe the monarchs would have been as figureheads only. Reading more, looks like the book might not be 100% accurate. For example, Himmler did not meet the exiled last Kaiser but Goring did.