[beepthroughbop]

The specificity of the claims, high rate of battery fires on the road, general pattern of behavior at Tesla with respect to build quality and disregard for safety. Not enough to convict anyone but enough to convince me that it is more probable than not. It should also be enough to convince anyone that there is a serious possibility that it's true.

What verification would have satisfied you for the fraud at Wirecard (or Enron, etc.)?

[DarmokJalad1701]

> high rate of battery fires on the road

What exactly is that rate? Is it higher than other battery/ICE cars?

[xedeon]

You created your account 34 minutes ago and have provided zero supporting links on your claims.

[donttriggerme]

I think you know that the issue here is there are too many folks who will believe Musk nearly no matter what he says. It's going to take some really strong evidence to slow or stop his freight train. Maybe that comes; maybe it doesn't. But the power of true believers is strong and real. It helped save Apple in the late 90s, and it will give Musk many, many second chances.

Edit: My comment was very, very neutral. And very, very factual. Shame on you whoever downvoted me.

[xedeon]

I believe what's on the official court documents that were made public. Anything else is speculation, which is what is exactly what you're doing.

[donttriggerme]

I didn't speculate about anything. I just said that the public will require overwhelming evidence of something bad to change its mind because of the cult of personality around Musk. That's simply a fact.

[stOneskull]

change its mind about what? about him being like bill cosby? grow up.

[c00ls0sa]

You created your account about 10 minutes ago, chief. Not buying it.

[donttriggerme]

I created a new account because my old one would get downvoted because my username was arguably offensive. I got tired of that.

I'm not sure what I'd be asking you to buy here. I'm neither siding with or against OP. I'm just making a point about levels of proof needed regarding actions by someone who is beloved by the public.

This isn't really controversial. Look how many allegations it took to sway people about Bill Cosby, for example.