[ba2plus]

Wall Street has decreed that capitalism must go on at all costs. That requires workers to show up to work. That requires that workers don't need stay home to watch kids. And that requires that kids not be at home during business hours.

Few believe that this is the right thing to do. Powerful businesspeople believe it's the profitable thing to do. So, here we are.

[throwawaybb2]

> That requires workers to show up to work.

Is there another system that enables all workers to work/sit at home without any negative impacts to the nation's short term and long term economical success?

[ba2plus]

Short term? No, definitely not. Short-term economic pain was going to happen regardless of policy. Stay open and let the virus spread like wildfire, or shut down and ship helicopter money to people to prevent social unrest - either one brings short-term pain.

But there's absolutely a way to avoid long-term pain: the aforementioned lockdown/helicopter-money plan. Shut down, have everyone not absolutely essential stay isolated as much as humanly possible, provide direct cash payments to individuals or huge wage subsidies tied to mandatory guarantees not to lay anyone off, provide free health care to everyone affected, and enforce internal travel restrictions to keep outbreaks contained. Countries that have gone down this route are now starting to open back up with minimal death tolls and stabilizing economies.

The US, to put it mildly, did not do this. Practically every level of government of all political stripes completely bungled it. Counties screwed up, cities screwed up, states screwed up, legislative and executive federal branches screwed up. It was a hodgepodge of counterproductive idiocy by politicians and officials of all political parties and ideological stripes. And Wall Street & friends aided and abetted this insanity by whining about how a full shutdown early on would "harm the economy".

[throwawaybb2]

> But there's absolutely a way to avoid long-term pain: the aforementioned lockdown/helicopter-money plan. Shut down, have everyone not absolutely essential stay isolated as much as humanly possible, provide direct cash payments to individuals or huge wage subsidies tied to mandatory guarantees not to lay anyone off, provide free health care to everyone affected, and enforce internal travel restrictions to keep outbreaks contained.

I am guessing one of the countries you would be taking about is South Korea? The one that that provided up to 14% of their GDP in subsidies to do the things you listed [0]. This being of course after major money makers declining: international travel (accounts for 4.2% of GDP) and exports (40% of GDP) [0].

It's safe to say some printers are hard at work somewhere. Long term pain solved for government officials not for it's citizens. I would say the same thing about the US as well.

I do agree with your last paragraph highly.

0:https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/covid-19-pushes-south-korea-...

[ba2plus]

Actually, I was thinking of my own country, Canada. There's still occasional small outbreaks, but aside from some limits on large gatherings and some requirements to self-isolate when traveling between certain provinces, things are starting to open back up.

>Long term pain solved for government officials not for it's citizens.

Only financial pain. But that was inevitable as soon as the pandemic hit. Given a choice between financial pain for a few decades, and financial pain for a few decades combined with a potential literal decimation of the population, I'm perfectly fine with the solo financial pain.

[throwawaybb2]

> ...financial pain for a few decades combined with a potential literal decimation of the population, I'm perfectly fine with the solo financial pain

You will be getting decimation of the population with financial pain regardless.

[lotsofpulp]

Of all the “Wall Street” people I know, no one is advocating not wearing masks or opening schools. The only people I’ve seen with an anti mask policy are those very far from Wall St.

[ba2plus]

I'm not talking about mask policies. I'm talking about "get employees back to work at all costs to save profits" policies.

[lotsofpulp]

I don’t hear any Wall St types clamoring for that either. The states far away from Wall St are the ones banging their drums to open.

[scarface74]

Wall Street isn’t insisting on that at all.

People on Wall Street are quite happy with the current state of affairs. The five largest companies in the US - all tech - are doing great. The other companies that are important are considered “essential”.

It’s the small businesses that are struggling. This is a great opportunity for large companies.

[zwerdlds]

Elon Musk may not be anti-mask but he is pretty clearly an example of someone who doesn't give a shit about public health policy.