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France: 'Pah! We have other concerns than your Brexit'

Also France: 'Don't you dare block our fishing boats from British waters after Brexit OR ELSE!!!!!!'

Personally I suspect this is about the poor migrants being used as a bargaining chip in Brexit negotiations by the French, i.e., the French saying 'this is a taste of what we will do if you dare give us a bad deal'.

What I don't understand is why they think the UK is so much better than France! I don't think the two countries are that different and France has plenty of opportunities of its own, plus it's much bigger whereas the UK is overcrowded, expensive and competitive. In their position I think I'd rather stay in France :)

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You do not get it : this is your own country. Check your own borders by yourself. You Brexited to restore your sovereignty that was stolen by the EUSSR (Copyright Daily Mail)... Well exercise this sovereignty now. And I do not think that there is a bargaining strategy anymore in the EU negociation team : the no-deal is on going. And the main reason is that your government has not the required level to manage the divorce. From the outside it seems that they could not manage anything anyway.

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> From the outside it seems that they could not manage anything anyway.

Do you honestly think the media would report it if the UK government were doing a good job? Along with Brussels, the media are all still seething with anger that the common people dared stand up to their masters.

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Did you have a look to your death toll ? Do you have a big picture of the trajectory of the brexit negociations since 2016 ? The tories arte killing you literally and economically, just like republicans are killing the US. You are even on the verge of a secession in your kingdom. your government is inept and inapt.

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The stats should be treated with extreme suspicion at this stage - I've read that the only way to get a decent handle on deaths will be via comparison to normal trends. There is zero chance that deaths are being recorded via the same standards and processes in every country.

Regarding the Brexit negotiations, it hardly helped having a Parliament composed of MPs intent of subverting the result of the referendum, and a civil service, media etc. that chose to go to war with the people. Things look a lot better for the UK now that we have a government that actually intends to stand up for the country instead of delivering it gift-wrapped into the hands of foreign powers to do with as they please.

I always think it's funny when the topic of the break up of the UK is brought up as something British people should be really upset about. Anti-English racism is common in Wales and Scotland (I recall being on the receiving end on several occasions at University - the ridiculous thing being that although I was brought up in England I am more than 50% Welsh by blood!). And England - where I live - will be better off, and more likely to have right wing politics, which is always a good thing. Scotland has a whole range of deep, entrenched problems, and is effectively bankrupt without massive transfers of tax money from England. So enjoy paying for that if/when you let them back in the EU. At least then they won't be able to constantly moan about England any more (though I note their hatred of all things English doesn't extend to English money, quelle surprise!), and will likely start to moan about Brussels instead. And anyway, aren't Europhiles always telling us the nation state is obsolete etc?

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> "Things look a lot better for the UK now that we have a government that actually intends to stand up for the country instead of delivering it gift-wrapped into the hands of foreign powers to do with as they please."

Well it sounds like the UK was not an active EU member when I listen to Brexiters. Just like if you had no power and influence on the system. What a joke. The matter is your leaders never read the manual to integrate Europe. Their mouth were always full of "I want my money back", "There cannot be a politic project, EU has to be a trade block" or "Let's have a cake and eat it". They never wanted to make the integration of UK a success. And moreover, the most moronic press in the UK has sold you guys that all your issues these last decades came from the EU, while most of the time, they came from your own gov.

About the death toll, if you have any doubts about the NHS numbers, just read others : how many people died this year during the pandemic compared to last year on the same period. Numbers might be worse than those of the NHS. Guys, your own PM is so stupid he caught it because he didn't want to respect social distancing... He is as smart and relevant as Bolsonaro. Imagine the consequences if he died...

And about the future secession in your own Union: many English express the idea they would be better off without the Scots. Any many Scots are fed up with England. Your future looks like a divorce. For, us French, this not only a mistake, this is a sin. The integrity of a country is sacred. If you give up your own land and destroy your union, it means that you do not deserve to be an important nation anymore. You are just weak and senseless. Soon, you are a prey.