[secstate]

Apples and oranges my friend. Being elite and overtraining are orthogonal. By definition, overtraining is pushing your body too far too fast. No one can train for a 100 mile race by doing 3 50 mile training runs in a week. That's not how physiology works. Discipline and lots of hard work can help you be elite, but overtraining is never good. Never.

[matwood]

True, but a lot of novices use overtraining as an excuse to just not train. Actual overtraining is pretty hard to do for a typical weekend warrior.

[iateanapple]

> Being elite and overtraining are orthogonal.

Not really - it can take a serious lifter weeks to recover from a competition deadlift whereas a new lifter can recover in 1-2 days.