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Fair enough but both of them are highly technical people. Not programmers but that's not the yard stick that I put down here.

Additionally it's not a good idea to use critical successes like that to extract any kind of lessons from. Groupon won the business plan lottery and found a real need in the market that wasn't being served. Zynga rode the coattails of facebook.

Obviously i'm not dismissing those companies accomplishments. The founders are idols to me.