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by iateanapple 2151 days ago
> and skip the months of complaining from the Liberal Party

It was clear the economic right faction of the Liberals wanted a mandate from the people so that they could push past the socially conservative faction.

They were being blocked for months by the left - because it benefited the greens and labor politically to position the Liberals as anti-LGBT.
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quink 2150 days ago
Yes, the left blocked holding a voluntary postal survey to enshrine basic civil rights because it’s dumb on its face, but the Liberals threatening to end the careers of the people who would vote isn’t?

All the Liberals would have needed to say is “conscience vote” and it would have been done. That aside, if passing basic civil rights would threaten the stability of the party, then that’s kind of a shitty party.

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iateanapple 2149 days ago
> Yes, the left blocked holding a voluntary postal survey to enshrine basic civil rights because it’s dumb on its face

Yes, the left did block enshrining basic civil rights in order to play politics.

> All the Liberals would have needed to say is

The Libs don’t care about gay rights and they still got the job done.

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quink 2149 days ago
Yet the Liberals threatening their own MPs with ending their careers if they vote their conscience wasn’t playing politics?

And you do know that there was real damage done through the process? Gay people got messages of hate and exclusion as it provided excellent fodder for the grubs to come out of the woodwork to spike vile hatred. There was real damage done during the process when all Turnbull had to do was a snap of the finger and it’d not get put through the process that it did.

Also love the part where you seem to be completely ignorant of Howard legislating to make gay marriage unambiguously forbidden. In 2004.

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iateanapple 2149 days ago
> Yet the Liberals threatening their own MPs with ending their careers if they vote their conscience wasn’t playing politics?

Of course they were playing politics - why would you sacrifice party unity when you can shame your political opponents on the left and still get the outcome you want?

You don’t seem to understand that your allies playing politics with something you really care about is completely different from your opponents playing politics with the same topic.

> Also love the part where you seem to be completely ignorant of Howard legislating to make gay marriage unambiguously forbidden. In 2004.

How does that help your case at all?

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