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by pjmlp 2150 days ago
Production ready AOT for .NET exists since Singularity, which MIDL and Bartok compilers were the basis of .NET WinRT on Windows 8/8.x.

Then some of the Midori tech eventually made its way into .NET Native, which from my point of view UWP + .NET Native is what .NET should have been all about back in 2001.

Apparently after the timid attempt with XAML Islands and MSIX, they seem to be getting the house in order and driving the platform into a way to pretend that Windows 8 and 8.1 never happened, but it seems to be lacking a lot of coordination and long term planning.

Windows 10X apparently is also not getting Win32 sandbox any longer, this assuming it ever gets released.

Still in the middle of the chaos, it still feels much better than if I had to deal with Android on daily basis, one IO best practices is next years legacy.
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GordonS 2150 days ago
I guess you know this, but what I really meant was AOT for any dotnet apps - not specifically for UWP or whatever sandboxed, designed for touchscreen thing Microsoft is trying to push.

What many have been waiting for is the ability to AOT for both Windows and Linux.

I recall Mono had something like this around 10 years back, but it was a bit flakey. Not sure if that still exists in some form.

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pjmlp 2150 days ago
Mono keeps it around given that is how Xamarin iOS works, and also available as option for Xamarin Android (by default it uses JIT).
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kevingadd 2150 days ago
I think when someone says "production ready AOT" in any context, it's never quite obvious what they mean. As ckok implied, even when AOT is "working" it may generate a 100mb executable. For some end users that is production ready (like Facebook, who reportedly were shipping 1gb+ AOT'd php executables to their server cluster) and for other end users it is not (because a 100mb browser app is a closed tab.)

WASM now and emscripten before it both were designed and optimized for POSIX C apps and for games, and they're pretty good for those scenarios. Larger-scale stuff is pretty tricky and the tooling ecosystem will have to continue to grow to support more real-world applications. JIT, stackwalking, GC, etc are all still not there on WASM - thankfully threading is finally crossing the finish line but even that has taken years.

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pjmlp 2150 days ago
Some day WebAssembly will match what Flash CrossBridge and PNacl already had 10 years ago.
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