[DiabloD3]

All the while, we have the new company formed out of the work of the SAFIRE project that uses self-organizing plasma fields that makes traditional tokamaks look entirely stoneage.

Not only are they doing fusion at a tiny fraction of the power, they're doing it with a much much much smaller system that is producing heavier elements out of thin air while having started as just a "sun in a bottle" research system to understand how the Sun interacts with the electromagnetic field of the galaxy (and why the 1960s nuclear fusion model of the Sun explains nothing of the past 50-60 years of observations published since).

They did it on basically a shoestring budget, too.

[Zealotux]

I really wanted to believe in the SAFIRE project, but it looks like an embarrassing scam, unfortunately: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmVdPgkudC8

Really hope I get proved wrong in the next years.

[DiabloD3]

Yeah, I don't get the point of those kinds of Youtube videos. If they think its a "scam", they should publish a paper on the inability to replicate of the results.

Instead its just some weird reaction video by some rando on Youtube that has not cited his sources. The irony of this is, he accuses them of doing the same thing EU proponents have accused modern Cosmology of doing: filtering out anything that doesn't fit their narrative, even when its established science in another field for the past few decades.

The SAFIRE guys aren't cosmologists, they're approaching the problem of the Sun the same way a plasma physicist would. Literally, they are following in the footsteps of Hannes Alfvén (the guy that got the Nobel for magneto-hydrodynamics), and Kristian Birkeland (nominated for a Nobel seven times due to his work in this field), and continuing their work.

The people who claim that plasma physics has no place in space, in solar/planet interactions, in galactic/star interactions, etc are, frankly, insulting both the Nobel committee and the work of NASA for the past 30+ years. They're on the same delusion spectrum that flat earthers are on, just not quite to that extreme.

I'm not saying SAFIRE is right, but SAFIRE isn't even saying they're right. They've literally asked for other labs to replicate their results because they've found a novel way of replicating the Sun's activity in their lab, and they need to rule out measurement error in ways they haven't already. They are seeking replication and validation, something scammers don't do.

[cocoggu]

Stoneage for sure but probably more realistic.

Anyway, in my opinion it's not a waste of money. Besides the potential scientific results which will always be interesting, manufacturing skills are evolving this way as well.

I don't know so much about SAFIRE and which state it reached, but Wendelstein 7-X and ITER are the two projects I'm confident with, and I don't see them as competitors but both bringing more knowledge about fusion.