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by kotxig 2146 days ago
> The marginal tax on a £100-125k London salary is 62%

This is why you should reduce a 100 - 125k salary by 40k through salary sacrifice, paying into a self directed pension. Taxable income is reduced to £60 - 85k.

> Also, VAT there is much higher than sales tax in CA.

Yes but there are no property taxes in the UK, which I'm sure far outweighs the difference in sales tax on a yearly basis. Also VAT isn't applied to everything, it is reduced to 5% for fuel and 0% for food. I'm making the assumption I can cash purchase a home I actually want to live in in the UK. Purchasing a house isn't really optimizing net worth either, but it is a stability factor I would rather have. I'm looking at $1.8m-2m minimum in SF for a property I would actually want to purchase and live in. I'm sure there are plenty of massive homes in the middle of nowhere I could purchase but am I going to have a job I want and live near interesting like-minded people? Probably not.

> an acquaintance of mine had to pay ~75% marginal tax on AMZN RSUs

RSUs are not a qualifying option in the UK. Most startups in the UK are offering EMI share options, which are more tax efficient than any offering in the US unless you look at early exercising with an 83b election, which is obviously significantly riskier.

> The savings from your ISA accounts will be negligible until your portfolio grows

Yes that's the point, if you grow an ISA to 1mil in value over 25 years, drawing down that ISA at a 3% rate is a significant tax-free lump sum contribution to your yearly income.

I won't go into the full detail but I reckon that with the combination of an ISA, pension allowances, and dividend/capital gains allowances on private investments, you can draw nearly 97.5k in income and pay only 3750 in tax, and there is no AMT in the UK.

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> pension

If you're OK with locking up your money for 30+ years, sure.

> no property taxes in the UK

That's a bug, not a feature. There's little incentive for people to downsize, which leads to suboptimal use of resources on a societal level. Even if you leave the question of fairness aside ("eight of England's 10 cheapest areas for council tax are in the capital including Kensington & Chelsea, Hammersmith & Fulham, Southwark, Lambeth and Tower Hamlets"), this leads to higher property prices, which negatively impacts you as a first-time buyer.

> I'm looking at $1.8m-2m minimum in SF

You don't have to retire in the Bay Area.

> Most startups in the UK are offering EMI share options

Most startups in the UK pay poorly, so I'm not sure this is a good point. Thanks for letting me know about EMI share options though, I didn't know that!

> you can draw nearly 97.5k in income and pay only 3750 in tax

You can top that. People who have bought property in London 15+ years ago can easily realize a profit of £500-1500k, all tax free -- https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/private-residence... .

> If you're OK with locking up your money for 30+ years, sure.

55 isn't 30+ years away for me.

> this leads to higher property prices, which negatively impacts you as a first-time buyer.

And yet it still looks more affordable than SF.

> You don't have to retire in the Bay Area.

In which case, I have to account for housing expenses when looking at the salary in real terms, and deal with all of the problems related to rent i.e. rising costs, being kicked out, not worth investing in improving the property (from a quality of life perspective, not ROI).

> Most startups in the UK pay poorly, so I'm not sure this is a good point.

The one I am working at currently doesn't pay poorly. It's not my top SF salary but it's better than what I started on in SF. It's not FAANG.

> You can top that.

I just meant for an average person with a typical diversified investment portfolio and private pension, and in a way that you can actually plan for (private residence relief is not something that you could have reasonably planned for at the time of buying the house).

Makes sense. Thanks for elaborating and apologies for derailing your green card question.